What is the biggest "gimmick" in paintball?

[AutomagRT1483]

If you are reffering to a series of team guns, such as the Joy Division Angels, then I do agree. However, if you are reffering to one team shooting the same type of marker, such as DM4's, then I disagree.

Referring to a series of team guns. Like the Dynasty Shocker, Joy Division Angel, all the different team Timmys, etc. etc.

[Troen]

ill be the first to say it. IONS! according to pbn, they're better then my crappy emag. damn, and i spent all that money on it.

[pachytriton]

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'nuf said

[ramennoodles]

www.paintballfashion.com
'nuf said

Ohhh, that's a good one.

-Isaac.

[NinjaoftheNight79]

I said some of their items are gimmicks, not all. Actually they are very clever in their marketing of woodsball products.

The Longbow is marketed as a sniper type weapon correct? It is a 21 round magazine fitted on a RT valved gun (tac one). A classic valved longbow would be much better suited for it and much less expensive then the RT equipped longbow.

Think about this, you have 21 rounds--why would you need an RT valve? Also by the very nature of properly chronoing a RT you would be at a velocity/range disadvantage by taking slow shots spread over a long period of time. A classic valve would be superior performer in this case. If someone wants a longbow that is fine with me, but using an RT valved marker as a 21 round sniper rifle is a waste of money.

I have an A5 too, and I have some Specops items on it and they work well, but in the case of a the Longbow- poorly executed and needlessly expensive choice of gunplatform---a gimmick imo. Maybe thats why they came out with the Q-bow soon after.

Why would slower shots matter? I mean, I know this and I havn't even shot my Tac-One yet (just got it and dont have a tank yet, long story). If you look in the RT ULE/Tac-One Manual, on page 8 (On the manual, but if you only got two sheets its the back of the X-Chamber sheet) you will see an explanation of what happens in an X-Valve (I dont know what an RT valve is) with differant input velocities. If you refer to the page before/front of x-valve sheet, you will see that the X-valve runs best at 750-850 psi. On page again it explains what happens at differant psi inputs. A high velocity brings more consistancy at faster rates of fire. A lower input brings more consistancy "all benefits of the fast reecharge regulator diminish and the regulater acts like the regulator on a 68AUTOMAG". The fast recharge is what heats the valve, and effects the consistancy by heating the air. If there is not fast recharge, there is no heat, meaning there is much fewer velocity fluctuations, meaning more consistancy at lower rates of fire (as a "sniper" would do). While this doesn't mean as much, for it still would be cheaper to do with a Classic Automag, but there are two very big problems. First off, the shroud and stock require a rail with three holes originally made for puting a sight rail on a mag. The shroud has three holes just as a sight rail does. As I do understand that you could argue that you probably could drill the holes in the rail of a Classic, if you know what your doing and it will work with that rail, there still is one other problem. The only way you can use the magazine system made by Special Ops paintball is by mounting the adapter on the rail infront of the feedneck. This means the marker would also require a Tac body to use the full system. In this case we realise that in order to use the Longbow kit exactly as Special Ops paintball does on a Classic, you would have to purchase a Tac body ($200) and possibly a rail with the holes such as the RT rail ($60) or try to get your hands on a the old wingless tac rails they dont use anymore (which may not be possible through AGD without some sort of mass order type of deal, for special ops only gets the older rails for their because they need them and special ops gives them a nice chunk of business). The least amount of money you would spend is $200 to do it youself. This would bring the cost to $430, only $20 less than a Tac-One, which has better capabilities. Even with some sort of business agreement between Spec Ops and AGD, they wouldn't get the intelliframe with very comforteable Dye Sticky 3s (ergonomics is what they go for) and a person with a stock Tac-One (or now one with the older rail since AGD stopped puting wingless tac rails on the Tac-Ones) would not be capable of upgrading their own marker into a longbow without a bunch of extra money (which was another goal of theirs). Now I do not intend to flame at all in any way if that is how this seems. I may be new to AGD and Automags, be fairly new to paintball itself, and let alone that be 15, but I have a habit of doing my research when I get in a dispute like this. I know what Special Ops wanted in from the Longbow, and I am sure they have tried to do everything to get it to be cheaper. Now they are running a Blackcell program to make many current speedball oriented markers into more woodsball oriented styles and set ups. Their first one is the ION, and they are making a Longbow version of it because it would cut the cost. This Blackcell Sniper Edition may not be (in my opinion) as great as a Tac-One Longbow, but it shows that they are attempting to lower the cost. I am sure they have looked into reducing the price. It is not as easy as you think sometimes. Im sorry if I sounded at all offending by this post.

[lather]

Why would slower shots matter? I mean, I know this and I havn't even shot my Tac-One yet (just got it and dont have a tank yet, long story). If you look in the RT ULE/Tac-One Manual, on page 8 (On the manual, but if you only got two sheets its the back of the X-Chamber sheet) you will see an explanation of what happens in an X-Valve (I dont know what an RT valve is) with differant input velocities. If you refer to the page before/front of x-valve sheet, you will see that the X-valve runs best at 750-850 psi. On page again it explains what happens at differant psi inputs. A high velocity brings more consistancy at faster rates of fire. A lower input brings more consistancy "all benefits of the fast reecharge regulator diminish and the regulater acts like the regulator on a 68AUTOMAG". The fast recharge is what heats the valve, and effects the consistancy by heating the air. If there is not fast recharge, there is no heat, meaning there is much fewer velocity fluctuations, meaning more consistancy at lower rates of fire (as a "sniper" would do). While this doesn't mean as much, for it still would be cheaper to do with a Classic Automag, but there are two very big problems. First off, the shroud and stock require a rail with three holes originally made for puting a sight rail on a mag. The shroud has three holes just as a sight rail does. As I do understand that you could argue that you probably could drill the holes in the rail of a Classic, if you know what your doing and it will work with that rail, there still is one other problem. The only way you can use the magazine system made by Special Ops paintball is by mounting the adapter on the rail infront of the feedneck. This means the marker would also require a Tac body to use the full system. In this case we realise that in order to use the Longbow kit exactly as Special Ops paintball does on a Classic, you would have to purchase a Tac body ($200) and possibly a rail with the holes such as the RT rail ($60) or try to get your hands on a the old wingless tac rails they dont use anymore (which may not be possible through AGD without some sort of mass order type of deal, for special ops only gets the older rails for their because they need them and special ops gives them a nice chunk of business). The least amount of money you would spend is $200 to do it youself. This would bring the cost to $430, only $20 less than a Tac-One, which has better capabilities. Even with some sort of business agreement between Spec Ops and AGD, they wouldn't get the intelliframe with very comforteable Dye Sticky 3s (ergonomics is what they go for) and a person with a stock Tac-One (or now one with the older rail since AGD stopped puting wingless tac rails on the Tac-Ones) would not be capable of upgrading their own marker into a longbow without a bunch of extra money (which was another goal of theirs). Now I do not intend to flame at all in any way if that is how this seems. I may be new to AGD and Automags, be fairly new to paintball itself, and let alone that be 15, but I have a habit of doing my research when I get in a dispute like this. I know what Special Ops wanted in from the Longbow, and I am sure they have tried to do everything to get it to be cheaper. Now they are running a Blackcell program to make many current speedball oriented markers into more woodsball oriented styles and set ups. Their first one is the ION, and they are making a Longbow version of it because it would cut the cost. This Blackcell Sniper Edition may not be (in my opinion) as great as a Tac-One Longbow, but it shows that they are attempting to lower the cost. I am sure they have looked into reducing the price. It is not as easy as you think sometimes. Im sorry if I sounded at all offending by this post.

By RT valve I meant Xvalve, my bad.

Actually what you posted is my point about the longbow. The longbow is marketed for those that want to be slow careful "sniper" types who want the utmost in accuracy, that means good consistency on slow deliberate shots. In an X-valve mag if you want the maximum consistant velocity on slow careful shots like you would be taking with the longbow's 21 round magazine, you would have to lower your input pressure so the valve acts exactly like a Classsic Mag.

Then why not just offer the longbow equipped with the less expensive Classic mag isntead of the more expensive X-valve? The longbow is akin to buying a Ferrari and only using it to drive to the 711 down the street.

Your post is not offending no need to be sorry, difference of opinion is all it is

[wimag]

i guess the AGD techs are also not mechanically inclined enough to tune mine when i had it . i took it to them 2 times and it still chopped when i got it home and shot it. it does not always work and its not that good. unless you like to mess with the lvl10 instead of playing in games, then its great

bummer for you. did you ever try tuning it yourself or did you always give it to a tech ?
i am sure they need to be adjusted, that info was pretty fronted out when they first came out and everyone was tweaking theirs. trial and error from the get go.
But to make a statement that you will be messing with the level 10 as opposed to playing games is an exaggeration.

Of all the "gimmicks" out there the level 10 in pretty proven in my book as something that backs up its claims

[automikey]

Of all the "gimmicks" out there the level 10 in pretty proven in my book as something that backs up its claims

I got mine from Tuna and it was tuned, I broke the typical 1-2 balls per case (could easily be the paintball itself to blame).

[mandatory]

'paintball refs'...You put 20 of em on a field and people are still cheating left and right. plus "your clean!!" if they're your friends, but 'that paint ball you just kneeled on is a hit" if they're not.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

By RT valve I meant Xvalve, my bad.

Actually what you posted is my point about the longbow. The longbow is marketed for those that want to be slow careful "sniper" types who want the utmost in accuracy, that means good consistency on slow deliberate shots. In an X-valve mag if you want the maximum consistant velocity on slow careful shots like you would be taking with the longbow's 21 round magazine, you would have to lower your input pressure so the valve acts exactly like a Classsic Mag.

Then why not just offer the longbow equipped with the less expensive Classic mag isntead of the more expensive X-valve? The longbow is akin to buying a Ferrari and only using it to drive to the 711 down the street.

Your post is not offending no need to be sorry, difference of opinion is all it is

that is why most people go for the qbow it make use of the tac one abiltys much better nobody goes for the clip version of the longbow. don't feel bad i haven't fire my tac one since i bought it 2004 i am building myself a q bow i not going for the sniper role i just want a smaller profile. (plus i hate hoppers) i was glad when i bought my tac one when i did i knew they was going to change the body. (i have a silver tab tac one)

[sol tank]

barrels IMO

one .689 tube isnt going to make your ball fly straighter or further than any other .689 tube

i've seen a lot of crappy barrels out there. One of the worst ive seen is my friends stock ion barrel. its like sand paper in there. Much better performance with his new JJ

[Carbon]

for the record, as an owner of 2 mags, the LX is not a gimmick. Is it bullet proof? no, nothing is. No gun is chop free. When properly installed and tuned does the LX work as advertised? Yes it does.

My LX'd emag has shot at least 100,000 rnds, still on its original carrier oring, no BS. I can count on my hand the number of times where the lx did chop, incidentally, those times were in cold weather with brittle paint.

[WARPED1]

i've seen a lot of crappy barrels out there. One of the worst ive seen is my friends stock ion barrel. its like sand paper in there. Much better performance with his new JJ

J+J barrels are nice, I love the old school brass ones.
Another gimmick is Intimidators. They're all realitively the same, only real difference is milling. And I even like Intimiadators, but I flat out refuse to call them Timmy's. Timmy is the retarded kid in the wheelchair on South Park. Mr Garrison" What's the answer? Timmy, do you know?" Timmy: "TIMMY!"

[fullofpaint]

Then why not just offer the longbow equipped with the less expensive Classic mag isntead of the more expensive X-valve? The longbow is akin to buying a Ferrari and only using it to drive to the 711 down the street.

Probaly cause AGD doesn't sell a marker that's equipped with a classic valve and has the RT Pro rail holes that are necessary to install their stock.

[Crazy]

Biggest PB gimmick


HK army...

from what i've read, HK sucks...

Thats funny, Most of them play D1, Semi-pro, and Pro.
What do you play?