Emag and speedball

[RavishingEddie]

Well, since me and my friends got into paintball a year ago, we started buying markers They all have cockers with Eblades and are planning to get egos or Proto Matrix. I on the other hand just started building my Emag and am almost done with it. When I grab the Emag or any mag for that matter I feel a special bond that I never felt before with another gun. The small, simplistic but yet durable and stylishness turns me on. My question is simply how do Emags stand up against these extreme fast, light and weak material guns in speedball?? I really don't feel anything for those other guns, will I have to be forced to buy one?

[cowboy_00]

If you build it right, (which isnt that hard in a mag) you can make a marker that will outstrip anything those markers can do. I've used my Classic Mag in a few games against PM6 DM6 Egos. and i can still whoop *** (on occasion)
With an Emag you can hit 20+ bps easily and that is on par with the best markers and hoppers out there.

if your a good Player, it shouldn't matter what marker you have (as said in the flame thread earlier), but non the less a tricked out Emag can definately hold its own.

[Maggot6]

I half agree with the guy above. You likely wont hit +20 bps on a 3.2 software emag, with a regular tank..However, you should be able to shoot fast enough that the 15.4 bps they're shooting (or however your field rules permit ramping etc) that you wont be outgunned.

if your a good Player, it shouldn't matter what marker you have (as said in the flame thread earlier), but non the less a tricked out Emag can definately hold its own.

[fire1811]

you will be fine. I still play with a mech mag in big touraments sometimes.

[Teamslayer76]

If your not aware, the Emag/RTMag are likely the fastest guns on your field. Search Zak Vetter or Vetter tech here. Also like said above the Emag can keep up with the best. Don't forget we may have aftermarket boards and software on the way that allow for ramping/cheater modes.

[Lohman446]

I sold my Proto Matrix and my Minion did nto come in until Monday. Sunday it left me playing with what I consider the ultimate back up marker, my fully mechanical stainless steel mag, centerfeed stainless body, RT valve, stainless boomstick.

I tend to practice at the highest level at my field and took this out without any question. I actually played a 4 on 1 down to a bunker move that would have been a refs call (a term we use at my field to admit that there is no way either player knows who shot first).

Unless you play back it is highly unlikely that a massive rate of fire is going to help you that much, though it covers a lack of skill often enough .

[tyrion2323]

The small, simplistic but yet durable and stylishness turns me on. My question is simply how do Emags stand up against these extreme fast, light and weak material guns in speedball?? I really don't feel anything for those other guns, will I have to be forced to buy one?

A few points of interest, and then an honest answer to your question.

- I'm not sure why you're criticizing the materials that other guns are made of. Depending on the model, your emag is either made of all aluminum or a combination of aluminum and stainless steel. Those other "weak material guns" that you mentioned are made out of the highest quality aluminum possible. Egos and Matrices are beautiful, wonderful markers, and just because they're light and small doesn't mean they're going to break anytime soon.

- Nobody can 'force' you to buy a new gun or piece of equipment. My guess is that, since you're still fairly new, you'll go through several markers trying to find the best one for you. Equipment change, despite some beliefs on this forum, are not only about peer pressure and hype. Guns HAVE gotten better since the Emag. In every sense. It's not as if Emags are the best guns out there, and everyone else is struggling to catch up. Modern paintball technology has created a host of superguns which are almost all awesome in their own right.

- If you don't feel anything for these other guns, that's fine. Nobody says you should. But be respectful of others and their bonds to their guns, because in the end, everybody wants to end up with the gun that works best for them and fits their personality. For some it's an Ego, a Shocker, a Freestyle, or an EMag.

Now for speedball and your emag

- I don't see why you would have any problems with your emag while playing paintball. They certainly are high-quality, reliable markers. While they are fast, they are NOT the fastest on the field. I'm unsure why Cowboy and Teamslayer said that, unless they are referring to Zach Vetter's videos in which he uses an overpressurized valve to shoot 32 balls per second. Of course, in reality, you won't be able to bring a SCUBA tank onto the field, and, of course, sweetspotting would be considered cheating.

- The current 3.2 EMag software is nice software, and you shouldn't have any problem shooting fast with it, although don't get your hopes up for hitting 20bps "easily". 3.2 software is, in paintball terms, relatively old software, and isn't going to give you the other "software advantages" of more modern boards. That being said, it should be more than enough to sustain you in speedball.

- I'd just like to break down, for a moment, any myths that seem to be affecting people's views of non-mag markers. Just as in any community or forum, there are some views that are circulating which aren't necessarily true. Here on AO, it's the idea that Mags are the ultimate gun in every way. Most people here don't believe that, but some do. I have had several mags, and have enjoyed them, but I certainly haven't fooled myself that they are "the best" for speedball:

speed : EMags use 3.2 AGD software, and are not privy to many of the 'modes' that other guns have nowadays. Even adjustments for triggers and semi-auto allow gusn equipped with these boards to fire faster for the user. Secondly, trigger technology (bearing triggers) hae also made the trigger action more smooth and quick.
weight : Obviously, EMags are not the lightest guns out there. Almost all of the 2004, 2005 & 2006 guns are lighter. Much of this has to do with the battery pack, but ESPECIALLY of you're using a stainless steel body. This doesn't necessarily mean that the other guns are made out of weak materials. Most are made from top grade materials. Remember, it doesn't have to be able to survive being run over by a car, hit by a grenade or submerged in a pot of boiling water to qualify as a 'tough' marker, since those are not realistic scenarios for most speedballers.
efficiency : People ask, 'why do we need efficiency? don't we have all-day-air?" Yes, we do have all-day-air; however, in modern speedball, you can often shoot 500-800 balls in a game. Depending on the size tank you have, some markers might not be able to sustain that. Mags don't operate unders a certain pressure (600-800psi) which means that in a 3000psi fill, you're really only getting 2200 psi for a fill. Just something to consider.
anti-chop modern guns come with powerful break-beam antichop systems, which help improve firing speed and reduce chops. Sure, EMags have Level10 and some even have InfraRed ACE; however, IR is not effective on certain paint colors, and Level10 is a reactive anti-chop system, meaning that the gun has to go through the act of firing before it can 'misfire'. This dumps air, and can lead to missed shots. Luckily, with most hoppers, this isn't really a problem.

[FSU_Paintball]

I disagree with one of the first replies which stated that an E-mag will be better than those guns. Definitely not.

Here's the way I see it. E-Mags are just fine when set up correctly (I think ULE parts - especially a vert feed body, upgraded board and lightened/adjusted trigger goes a long way). They are on par with a nice E-cocker.

They are NOT quite as nice as something like an Ego or Proto. But for all intents and purposes, if you like the E-mag, stick with it until you don't want to any more. It'll hang with any upper-end gun good enough, no question - provided you set your Emag up well.

[BigEvil]

Here is a quick video clip I did of someone's gun that I just flashed the Xmod software on.

http://www.jayloo.com/videos/show_vid/2464.html

[RapidTransit]

Does the ball comeout and arc completly sideways? No it dosn't then its fine for speedball. My expierence is those guys on the field see your Mag and they all want to shoot it and give compliments etc. because they hardly see them. I remember going onto a field one day and the other team refused to play with me who were sponsered by Brand X (not going to say which company) because they thought E-Mags were too much/unfair against their shiny new electros.

[psychowarden]

As stated, it may take you a while to find a gun that fits your correctly. Luckily for me, the first High end gun I ever bought was the right one for me, and that would be my X-mag. Its plenty fast, I can crank out around 13 bps, and for semi only tournies, thats pretty much as good as its gonna get. So, try a few markers out at a field, and see what you like best.

[FromTheBack]

Tyrion has made some very good and true points about the E-mag. After shooting one for almost a year in tournaments, recball, and scenarios alike I can say I loved the gun. The only problem I had with it was the feel of the magnets in the trigger and I couldn't walk it as well as I can the DM6 that I got at the begining of the year. As he said the air efficiency isnt that great but I used a 45/3000 tank and was fine as long as I remembered to refill after almost every game. I could use it for two if I didnt shoot a ton but the efficiency definately plays a part.
With a ramping software, as bigevil showed (I am guessing?), you could easily keep up with anyone out there and I can say the levelX has worked great for me but it has made me come in for a moment when shooting to let the valve recharge.
I still loved mine and I really want another one day but the trigger feel and I just don't get along.

[cowboy_00]

I support your claims...mostly

Tyrion is completely right about the old 3.2 software for E/X mags...but now that Xmod is being thrown around and everyone is trying to get it, you can really customize your shooting options.

Idk if its allowed in speedball because i've never played a tourney or anything but Hyper hybrid mode with a semi light trigger (RR fireblade or Tunablade also make this a little easier) and you can hit decent (very decent) rates of fire. with a good amount of pressure into the gun (1200psi is the most usually a tank will do) the reactive trigger bounces enough to make a slower gun really pick up the pace, and the Lvl10 + ACE system eliminates a lot of ball breakage.

Im sorry if i sound like a spokesperson from AGD but I absolutely love their products and havent found fault so far as ive been playing with it. I know they may not be the best in the Universe (as that is whatever is in your hand that you like) but for me, I will not switch markers.

[hipster]

I just use my e-mag on the speed ball field very often , my board is flashed and in psp mode it more than keeps up with any ego or matrix



as far as the trigger magnets go take both out of the frame put an o ring in the hole the add one mag back the trigger becomes verrrrrrry walkable , adding a tuna blade makes it even better

[Lohman446]

I just use my e-mag on the speed ball field very often , my board is flashed and in psp mode it more than keeps up with any ego or matrix

Whats the more in more than keeps up?