Emag and speedball

[Lohman446]

Maybe you need to get lost? That would be the day. The Emag is a good gun. Spend the money building it, making it even better. It can be just as good as any other marker. Maybe even better in some ways? I know in your opinion it could never be an equal to whatever it is you use on a daily bases. Fine, be a downer. You've probably done it first and done it better than anyone here. Your some kind of PB god! Who appointed you the say all, end all guy?
Sorry for blowing up on you, but sometime I get annoyed with peoples notions of the emag not being able to be MUCH better. It is like taking a muscle car and restomoding it with modern day equipment. A balance of old and new making it perform with the best of them. For the extreme overhaul it takes money no doubt, but it is possable. Not that isn't still a viable marker in the speedball arena.

Bite me...

Simple, really simple. I have never not acknowledged the E-mag as a great marker, but it does have its limitations. I'm sorry that I'm not bowing down as it being the greatest marker on earth and so MUCH better than everything else out there? You said it could be so MUCH BETTER than everything else. I'm sorry, how is it better?

I'm sorry that you were not able to go into your long winded rant without someone pointing out some of the things you stated as fact were simply not true. AO has never been about gathering around in a circle complimenting each other and telling each other how right we are despite being wrong. I'm sorry that I ask questions to understand others views rather than just stating my own and defending it to an extreme. Actually, no I'm not.

Even if you take that muscle car and add all the performance options to it, gain 500 horsepower, it doesn't compare to say the ZO6 Corvette which will match or exceed it in performance, get better fuel efficiency, and offer more amenities - very very poor example. Isn't even more interesting that GM has made the changes to compete with the best out there rather than just producing a '72 427 Six pack Corvette (which up through the C5 platform had a better quarter mile time than even the ZR1).

As to the rest of your attitude towards me. I'm arrogant enough to really not care what you think. Funny, Hitech and I can have discussions wtihout ever making it a personal attack, or trolling for a response. Funny we both seem to be able to comprehend the rules.

I think someones upset because they make blanket statements, are questioned on them, and can't get over themselves long enough to consider the possibility there are points of view that may differ from theres. Just my opinion...

[Lohman446]

When you're bouncing it in hybrid mode you're not actually firing the gun mechnaically. The trigger rod is bouncing the trigger back to the set position, then the pressure you have on your finger is bringing it back passed the HES sensor, thus firing the marker and repeating the process. It is very unlikely if you're using bounce in hybrid mode you're pulling hard enough to cycle the marker mechanically.

Never played in hybrid mode actually, played with it off field and always got the second shot (though they were on long deliberate trigger pulls). I see what your saying though, interesting, had never considered it as being legal so I hadn't actually considered its use. It makes the why isn't it legal argument more interesting, though your still going to have a hard time getting past the chrono ref who does get two shots in a single long deliberate pull. Maybe trigger stops to make it not actually fire with the rod?

[RapidTransit]

Even if you take that muscle car and add all the performance options to it, gain 500 horsepower, it doesn't compare to say the ZO6 Corvette which will match or exceed it in performance, get better fuel efficiency, and offer more amenities - very very poor example. Isn't even more interesting that GM has made the changes to compete with the best out there rather than just producing a '72 427 Six pack Corvette (which up through the C5 platform had a better quarter mile time than even the ZR1).

What the hell are you talking about? First off I've never seen a new stock Vette pull 10's in the 1/4, I'n the FAST Series a ZL1 Clone running Bias Ply tires hit the 10's. A 1972 Vette came with Tri-Power? Also don't forget in 1978 and 1979 a Truck could beat a Vette do a little search for the Little Red Express. You'll also find that a stock built 426 Hemi will produce well over 600HP. Your argument is useless. Simply put old technology dosn't always mean better case in point Analog Cell Phones, Vacuum tube Amps, Audio Records, and Film for Video and Stills. Automags have no problem outpreforming a high end electro, shockers use a similar valve design so AGD is deffinitely doing something right

[Lohman446]

What the hell are you talking about? First off I've never seen a new stock Vette pull 10's in the 1/4, I'n the FAST Series a ZL1 Clone running Bias Ply tires hit the 10's. A 1972 Vette came with Tri-Power? Also don't forget in 1978 and 1979 a Truck could beat a Vette do a little search for the Little Red Express. You'll also find that a stock built 426 Hemi will produce well over 600HP. Your argument is useless. Simply put old technology dosn't always mean better case in point Analog Cell Phones, Vacuum tube Amps, Audio Records, and Film for Video and Stills. Automags have no problem outpreforming a high end electro, shockers use a similar valve design so AGD is deffinitely doing something right

I was actually arging that the standard theory was that old technology doesn't normally mean better. Yes, GM did produce there own six pack (they were arranged in a triangle though) and used it in the 427 '72 Corvette. And for the arguments sake I was considering factory production to factory production without full consideration of aftermarket possibilities. There are not a lot of highly impressive 1/4 mile stock times until very recently. I never mentioned any of the Corvettes from 75 to 82 for a reason . They were not impressive in comparison The point is, even though the 72 was as good as it was, they made changes, bit by bit, got better in other areas, now the 72 is obsolete. Even before the surpassed 1.4 mile times they had improved efficiency, handling, comforts, etc. Vettes are not always the best, it was an easy example I had off the top of my mind. Wht exactly is "stock built"? As it came from the factory? Or built? Is that stock, or built?

I may be off a year, it might have been the 71 that was the better of them, 72 might have been the first year of detuning, not sure actually

As to the similiarities between a Shocker and mag in the way it functions... Aside from using air and being blow forward theres not a lot.

Outperforming - this is going past being competetive to being better, in performance. how?

[RapidTransit]

When I say out perform I mean out perform the standard rules and the capped limits etc. 72 Was the detuned year even though I think Mopar released some 6 Packs supposudly. Exception of the superduty firebirds/trans ams the muscle car era ended for the 71 model year, 70 for Chevy.

[Lohman446]

When I say out perform I mean out perform the standard rules and the capped limits etc. 72 Was the detuned year even though I think Mopar released some 6 Packs supposudly. Exception of the superduty firebirds/trans ams the muscle car era ended for the 71 model year, 70 for Chevy.

With a few notable exceptions anything made since sometime in the 70s is going to outperform the 70MPH road limit . I was off a year (maybe two) on the 427, I got to wondering on that after I had typed it out. I have nothing against the e-mag, unless your pushing the very top edge of performance of your loader it will work well for nearly everything you could want.

[hitech]

There are not a lot of highly impressive 1/4 mile stock times until very recently.

Ever seen a cyclone or a dodge dart...

[Lohman446]

Ever seen a cyclone or a dodge dart...

Twin turbos and Chevy engines, always been an interesting combo. I recall the Calloway Corvettes had a nasty habit of pulling the cylinder heads from the blocks under heavy load

[SpecialBlend2786]

Ever seen a cyclone or a dodge dart...

were cyclones those beefily awesome/fast GMC pickups

[hitech]

were cyclones those beefily awesome/fast GMC pickups

Yes. They were like that stock (from the factory, sold at normal dealerships). And they are not what I would call recent, but your mileage may vary.

They were sometimes referred to as a vette with a sundeck...

BTW, A buddy of mine has one.

[RRfireblade]

Not sure about the Emag but I know you can't use a Cyclone in Speedball.

[Lohman446]

Not sure about the Emag but I know you can't use a Cyclone in Speedball.

I once found my skid steer in the middle of a woodsball game. I was less than happy about it . Yes, I was driving, yes I was working on the field.

[hitech]

Not sure about the Emag but I know you can't use a Cyclone in Speedball.

[RavishingEddie]

Redtr

REDTR is cool

Anyway, I was wondering what I should get? A fireblade trigger or a Tunablade trigger for my emag. I just got to the trigger part and need some help on this.

[REDRT]

REDTR is cool

Anyway, I was wondering what I should get? A fireblade trigger or a Tunablade trigger for my emag. I just got to the trigger part and need some help on this.

Thanks for your vote.


I really liked the blade style of the fireblade, but the tunablade has more positives in it's favor. The roller bearing is smooth and no side to side play like the stocker. So I'm using the tunablade currently myself.