Why are mag parts so expensive?

[b e n]

Furthermore, if you'd like to compare true semi to true semi, the Ion will win again; until you bring in another $2/3/400 part in a pneuframe

Not really, if youve ever tried an ion on semi it sucks really bad and you cant pull it fast at all thats why everyone uses rebound. A mag on the other hand can be fanned as fast as you can struggle to walk an ion

[teufelhunden]

Not really, if youve ever tried an ion on semi it sucks really bad and you cant pull it fast at all thats why everyone uses rebound. A mag on the other hand can be fanned as fast as you can struggle to walk an ion

The Ion's trigger is terrible, but having owned my share of mags [and cockers], it'd take someone superhuman to work a mag/cocker trigger faster than an Ion's legally.

[Indignant]

OT, but wtf is that?

[Duzzy]

I vote an Evil Minion, which is a milled DM6 or PM6 IIRC.

[RogueFactor]

I beg to differ. BPS is performance as much as reliability and longevity.

BPS is not parts performance--its the chip performance. Put a mag on full auto, and an Ion on full auto, and lets see the longevity and reliability of the performance.

You can talk about 24bps bouncing on a mag, but the fact remains that is not field legal. Ramping is.

Yep, I sure can. And in the BPS arean, the mag outperforms the Ion. And more importantly, nothing besides a one-shot, one-pull is legal in accordance with ASTM standards and Field Insurance policies.

Just because a company wants to sell more of a product and pays to get the rules changed for "their" bouncing marker, doesnt make it any different.

However, basing the entire argument of an Automag's superority on the longevity of it is pretty silly given the turnover in the game both in players and in guns]. And, hell, parts will be cheaper. Plus the throwaway-ability of the Ion.

LMAO. That's a new one! The "I can throw it away" rebuttal..

Ion vs Phantom is invalid, it's like comparing an AR15 to a Remington870; in the end, they serve the same purpose but go about them in very different ways.

Yep, just like the Ion vs. Mech mag is invalid.

Or were you referring to the E-mag? If so, Id again compare the cost of ANY of the other markers(like Matrix, Ego, etc) and ask whats the difference?

Furthermore, if you'd like to compare true semi to true semi, the Ion will win again; until you bring in another $2/3/400 part in a pneuframe.

Wrong. Ive shot an Ion. It doesnt outperform it in true-semi. Sorry.

[RogueFactor]

Not really, if youve ever tried an ion on semi it sucks really bad and you cant pull it fast at all thats why everyone uses rebound. A mag on the other hand can be fanned as fast as you can struggle to walk an ion

Very, very true.

[Lohman446]

Not really, if youve ever tried an ion on semi it sucks really bad and you cant pull it fast at all thats why everyone uses rebound. A mag on the other hand can be fanned as fast as you can struggle to walk an ion

Rebound accounts for a lot of the reason why noone bothers to adjust the triggers but a decent ion trigger can definetly help that and they can be made as good as most switch electos as far as trigger

[Lohman446]

OT, but wtf is that?

Evil Minion - very early run (hence the Proto grips rather than the Evil grips that they are "going to come with") Had to beg for that one almost.

[LinearGoose]

Hey bro I know what you mean.Im thinking of gettin an Ion also.I got a z-grip mag but Im looking for something faster and I really dont got to much money to spend and I don't get cash fast enough.I love my mag but I just cant afford puttin about $300 more into it right now.I want to play paintball and would like to have some fire power.I will finish my mag sometime or get an emag or xmag someday.

Nevermind on what I said.I love my mag a whole bunch.All I had to do was fix the tigger alittle bit and now I can shoot pretty fast. I love the way it looks now. Hehe nothing special just a plain minimag with a zgrip and a flatline but a cradle really did improve the way it looks.
Screw the Ion AGD all the way!!!

[Corbet]

I'm new to electros... is ramping legal? Whats the difference between ramping, ramping burst, and ramping auotmatic? I just bought a ProMaster.

[tyrion2323]

The fact remains that it's still pretty difficult to convince people to buy a $130 body and a $90 frame for a mag when you can buy an Ion with a new trigger for the same amount.

And unless people start producing official numbers about the percentages of paintballers playing what and using what, I'm skeptical of any 'internet experts' here.

[SeeK]

Maintain an Ion as much as one would a 'Mag and I don't doubt it will last a decent amount of time [note, I'm not arguing an Ion would outlast a 'Mag, that's absurd. However, basing the entire argument of an Automag's superority on the longevity of it is pretty silly given the turnover in the game both in players and in guns]. And, hell, parts will be cheaper. Plus the throwaway-ability of the Ion.

One factor not addressed is WHEN it breaks. Middle of the game or middle of the day. Sure you could throw it away but would you already have a backup on hand?

[REDRT]

I just did the math. I currently have $1800 in the Emag alone so far. Not counting thing like a barrel, drop, asa, ect. The marker itself. To me that isn't too bad. I have a one of a kind custom that I really love. My next choice for a marker other than an AGD product is a G7 fly. $1300 new the last I looked. I couldn't have it stock for long. I like the personal touch. I could spend a few hundred I'm sure on one of them sprucing it up. So cost would be roughly the same for me. All a matter of taste I suppose. For the penny pincher trying to get the most bang for the buck maybe mag hood isn't the best way to go?. For me being mag enthusiast is taking it to a whole new level and is what I like and do. I'd rather almost rather build than play. Of coarse as a kid I had countless hours of fun with tinker-toys, lincoln logs, legos and erector sets. I'd bet even if I was to have an ION by the time it was done I could have a grand into it. Mag parts are maybe a tad higher to buy, but they are not super popular. I'm glad they still make parts. I often wonder why most other markers are so cheap? After all I figure if they are so great then they could ask more for them, but don't. So they must have a good profit margin already. Making the aready cheap marker very cheap to make. So what do the others skimp on?

[temilotzin]

[Beemer]

Put a mag on full auto, and an Ion on full auto, and lets see the longevity and reliability of the performance.

Not just an ion. Full auto 15bps, unlimited air. I would bet on the Mag to be the last one shooting against anything out there. Ya it would be large if I lost.

Hmmm an IronGun shoot off.

And more importantly, nothing besides a one-shot, one-pull is legal in accordance with ASTM standards and Field Insurance policies.

Hey you used ASTM and Insurance in the SAME sentence.

Dont get me going now.


Peace Out
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