Borg > Viking or vice versa?

[SpecialBlend2786]

Hey....GOOD LUCK with that one. As one gun whore to another !!!!!!

LOL. You know you're bad when you start selling markers before you even get a chance to use em

As for prices, the ones I am looking at are pretty much the same price, which is around $500. Borg is an 05, comes with a rebuild kit, tons of triggers, sonic internals, new delrin manifold, 14" stiffi, CCM feedneck etc. Looks like it's in great condition.

Viking comes with Tadao, new grips, two triggers, feedneck and some other stuff.

If they were different prices I would have just gone with the cheaper one and not looked back i bet....

I like the fact that the Viking has no hosing, I like that alot.

Both are nice and easy to clean, which is a must for me because I tend to get gun hits alot cause I'm retarded.

Coolhand, is that the Viking that you've put the ungodly amout of paint through or a borg?

[CoolHand]

Viking.

I've got three now. lol So, you can see I like them.

The only borg I've handled was one that came in for ano. I got to take it all apart and futz around with it. They are nice markers, but like I said, I can't stand the trigger feel of that '04. I never shot it, I just reassembled it and sent it back to it's owner when ano was finished.

Weight wise, the Borg was lighter than an unmilled '03, but NOT lighter than my Featherlight '03.

Either way, you're not getting hosed. Pick which one you like the look of better, or which one feels best in your hands.

You're gonna have nay sayers, no matter which one you choose. Just make sure the choice pleases you.

Also, about the Viking, make sure it doesn't have a MAC solenoid. I actually like the MAC's better, but spares are getting very hard to come by, and AKA wants like $300 to convert it over to use a Humphrey. If it has a Humphrey 'noid, have no fear at all. If it has a MAC 'noid, try to pay a little less for it. lol

If it's an '04, it has a Humphrey for sure.

That is all.

[jenarelJAM]

I haven't handled a 'borg, but I really like my viking. Two and a half cases of paint + about 2 more cases of reballs(worth), and it's used. No problems other than my mistake, setting the lpr too low. Basicly, it will perform up to its advertised standards no problem, all day long. Then you get into the whole "feel" thing, so try them out.

Personally, I'd rather keep my viking than trade it straight over for a 'borg that I know nothing about. Even an 06. That may tell you something...

Coolhand, what are your feelings on the excal? since you seem to really like aka. I'm curious about them, if they really are 'buttery smooth'

[CoolHand]

They are smooth, but they're also heavier, have twice as many moving parts, and need to be timed correctly to function to their fullest potential. They are also more expensive.

Some folks just like a closed bolt marker better. No reason I suppose, just what they like. Not that big of a deal, but I've never seen a reason to make a nearly perfect system more complex.

They are just as reliable though. Mostly preference I'd say.

[ABTOCMEPTb]

Viking gives you more options for creativity. You can get it stock very cheap and start to mill, annodize, upgrade it all you want untill you spend around $1000 and end up with a great custom marker. So if you got time and willing to wait go for it.

Cyborg 06 is fully upgraded out of the box. You dont need any board since 06 got all modes. Very low maintanace. No milling is needed since its already 1.8 lb without barrel.

As of performance I can only judge Cyborgs. I got two and I cant say a single bad word about either one.

[slade]

Viking gives you more options for creativity. You can get it stock very cheap and start to mill, annodize, upgrade it all you want untill you spend around $1000 and end up with a great custom marker. So if you got time and willing to wait go for it.

Cyborg 06 is fully upgraded out of the box. You dont need any board since 06 got all modes. Very low maintanace. No milling is needed since its already 1.8 lb without barrel.

As of performance I can only judge Cyborgs. I got two and I cant say a single bad word about either one.

so in other words, the viking is a better marker because after you buy it, you have to pay $1000 for milling, ano and upgrades, whereas with a borg you have to spend $0?

if you want customizability, you can always get an 05 borg and send it to DC.

[Cow hunter]

so in other words, the viking is a better marker because after you buy it, you have to pay $1000 for milling, ano and upgrades, whereas with a borg you have to spend $0?

if you want customizability, you can always get an 05 borg and send it to DC.

i saw that DC full mill borg prototype, and i must say it looked awesome, and supposedly it was a ton lighter

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Umm, Slade your figures are a bit off there. Milling is $250 or $275 (depending on FSP cut) and anno is another $175 max. Add $50 or so for shipping costs and you have spent a total of $500 or so. I'm not sure what you would spend $500 on upgrades though. I guess you were just exaggerating or something...?

Pretty soon you can do the same for a 'Borg though.

If you do buy a Viking, then you can always send it off to DC for a tune-up and get it in like new condition.

[slade]

i saw that DC full mill borg prototype, and i must say it looked awesome, and supposedly it was a ton lighter

considering i shot it and held it with my borg for comparison...

and yes, it is quite a bit lighter.

not $300 or so worth of lightness, but thats just my opinion.

[slade]

Umm, Slade your figures are a bit off there. Milling is $250 or $275 (depending on FSP cut) and anno is another $175 max. Add $50 or so for shipping costs and you have spent a total of $500 or so. I'm not sure what you would spend $500 on upgrades though. I guess you were just exaggerating or something...?

Pretty soon you can do the same for a 'Borg though.

If you do buy a Viking, then you can always send it off to DC for a tune-up and get it in like new condition.

my figures? look at the post i quoted. direct that comment at him.

then again, rk's viking came out to around $1700 total, and theres that FSP viking that was over $3k.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Oops, my bad. Sorry about the confusion. Didn't mean anything by it.

Ok, so uhh, yeah....I now direct my point at "ABTOCMEPTb"!

[rkjunior303]

i saw that DC full mill borg prototype, and i must say it looked awesome, and supposedly it was a ton lighter

it was lighter than my teammates ego

[BeaverEater]

i would personally go with the borg. I owned an 04 for about 6 months before i decided to quit..... but ive only played with a viking for about a day. The stock trigger pull of the borg sucks. I had a fbm delrin trigger in mine and a 50g switch and it was super light and super fast, no bounce at all either. I actually got back into paintball and got a dm4, and my borg was 10 times better.

[deathstalker]

I admit I haven't read many responses, so I apologize if I repeat anything. First, you'll find that many AKA owners also apppreciate Cyborgs. Second, I recommend a Viking over the 'borg for only one reason: I haven't shot a 'borg.

[ABTOCMEPTb]

$1000 including initial ~$500 you pay for a stock Vicking.

Also I didnt said that I preffer Vikings because of it. I got two Cyborgs and its shows clearly what is my weapon of choice.

I can say more. If you dont really care about all fancy tournament modes and OK to have semi-auto only than go with Sonic Cyborg and save another $200. Add PBK low weight Ram Kit and you will be happy forever.

I recently got Cyborg 06 and Sonic and I am happy with both.