Borg > Viking or vice versa?

[Red Star Funk]

I personally would just save some more for an 06 Cyborg. They're also hoseless, which you mentioned you like, and they're A LOT more comfortable than the pre 06's. However, if you won't get the 06 Borg, then I suppose the Viking would be where it's at. They are bulky and have one more tube than anyone needs :dodgy:. And they're, dare I say... ugly? But they are a bit more comfortable and the damn things are tanks.

[sisco87]

Well since this thread somewhat has to do with AKA, I'll go ahead and ask this.

What are the differences between the Excal and the Viking? (sorry to get off subject a little)

[CoolHand]

Well since this thread somewhat has to do with AKA, I'll go ahead and ask this.

What are the differences between the Excal and the Viking? (sorry to get off subject a little)

Viking = Open Bolt Electro Pneumatic Ram Operated Poppet Style Marker

Excal = Closed Bolt Electro Pneumatic Dual Ram Operated Poppet Style Marker

Basically they are the same marker, one is closed bolt, one is open bolt. The Excal is a fuzz more complex because it has two rams (and thusly two solenoids and two board outputs, etc), but by and large they are pretty much the same. They are even machined from the same extrusion.

Feel wise they are a little different because of the different operational styles.

The only way to really understand is to shoot them side by side for yourself.

[jenarelJAM]

Viking can cycle faster(in theory) and cheaper, and lighter too if I'm not mistaken

Excal is smoother, about $150-200 more expensive, and rarer. And needs a barrel kit to stop paint from running out.

[sisco87]

Thanks you guys. That helped me out and answered my question.
I just wish i could have both of them side by side to shoot.

[Steelrat]

Thanks you guys. That helped me out and answered my question.
I just wish i could have both of them side by side to shoot.

It does help, though it is interesting to note that a lot of the long-time AKA users tend to prefer the excals.

[slade]

Viking can cycle faster(in theory) and cheaper, and lighter too if I'm not mistaken

...because a viking topping out at 40 bps while a cyborg can only sustain 30 really matters? thats twice as fast as you will ever need to shoot.

vikings arent really cheaper. just older. an unmilled 03 or 04 is worth 400-500, which is around what an 04 or 05 borg would go for. a milled, ano'd and upgraded viking could go for as much as $1000, which is about what an upgraded 06 would go for.

lighter? what? how did you get that in your head? vikings are huge, and unmilled ones are bricks. they have 3 tubes, and a tray. cyborgs have 2 tubes and no tray. if youre talking about milled vikings, well, just look at the DC cyborg. thats lighter than any DC viking.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

slade- I believe he was speaking in reference to the Viking against an Excalibur. As that is what the rest of his post contains.

[slade]

slade- I believe he was speaking in reference to the Viking against an Excalibur. As that is what the rest of his post contains.

ahh, that makes sense. i missed that, since he didnt quote anyone and the origional post was about vikings and borgs.

[Steelrat]

lighter? what? how did you get that in your head? vikings are huge, and unmilled ones are bricks. they have 3 tubes, and a tray. cyborgs have 2 tubes and no tray. if youre talking about milled vikings, well, just look at the DC cyborg. thats lighter than any DC viking.

Yeah, all unmilled vikings are huge

[slade]

Yeah, all unmilled vikings are huge

compared to a cyborg? they certainly are. compared to almost any gun on the market, they are large.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Does having a large gun really matter all that much? I find that what truly matters is a gun you are comfortable with. When you reall get down to it, a Viking is not a whole lot wider. Also, don't foget the Halo is going to be the widest part of the exposed set up (sans tank of course). I mean how often has that extra .4" actually made you play worse?

I find that arguement to be fairly...futile. But that may just be to how I play and what I consider are important points...

[68magOwner]

compared to a cyborg? they certainly are. compared to almost any gun on the market, they are large.

no...not really, when you actualyl put an unmilled 04 viking side by side with otehr markers, its usually not bigger at all. Compared to a lasoya intimidator and a DM4, my 04 unmilled viking was, a touch wider than both (as expected, with a 3 tube desighn) but, was smaller in every other dimension, not to mention balanced better than the others when setup

[slade]

Does having a large gun really matter all that much? I find that what truly matters is a gun you are comfortable with. When you reall get down to it, a Viking is not a whole lot wider. Also, don't foget the Halo is going to be the widest part of the exposed set up (sans tank of course). I mean how often has that extra .4" actually made you play worse?

I find that arguement to be fairly...futile. But that may just be to how I play and what I consider are important points...

i usually hate arguments for smaller guns when it comes down to "this gun is better than last years because it is 1/4" shorter", but in this case it does matter to me. vikings just tend to be too large, and ive never liked the overall feel. there was only one setup i actually liked, and still then i prefer something like a cyborg or matrix.

and the way i shoot i lean the halo into the bunker, so its not very exposed, the marker and my arm is more exposed.

(and if you consider the extra tube, its closer to .8"... :P)

[FSU_Paintball]

06 viking if you can afford it. That's the way to go. The Viking has no advantages over it, but the Cyborg has several over the Viking.

Otherwise.... people consider the 05 viking to be a bit clumsy in terms of frame ergonomics... it's really opinion at that stage. But if you get a Viking, be sure that it has eyes.