AGD as a company

[Battlewear]

I never said he didn't still own the company. He did however walk away from it. The company isn't what it once was and I think it has alot to do with it. AGD doesn't try to be a competitive. Doesn't try to be anything shall I say it, "a has been". Seems they're content being open period. That maybe ok, but the potential of the company is far greater than that. I feel the "ho humm" attitude hit the company wide. I really don't think they have direction or drive anymore. Maybe with a fresh "can do attitude" with a stand up leader with vision can AGD rise up and show the industry they still have it. AGD was one of the founding companies to the sport. Still being around when so many are gone is a true testiment they where doing more than something right. Times have changed though and their reputation alone isn't going to cut it forever.

Ya know, here is a fairly stupid idea, But wouldnt it be cool if AGD became a public company. Involve some of the biggest dealer people Rogue, Tuna, DW, and many others.. Bring them in, make them apart of AGD (A Group of Developers of Air Guns Design), let them bring AGD back.. Granted they have been doing their products for AGD stuff (some for years) but with their minds and drive and heart MAYBE it could start to turn things around..

I know its a crazy idea, but some times when the Square Peg gets stuck in the round hole you need a bigger hammer and Break the Mold.

Oh and no I havent been drinking or smoking any thing LOL!

[REDRT]

Ya know, here is a fairly stupid idea, But wouldnt it be cool if AGD became a public company. Involve some of the biggest dealer people Rogue, Tuna, DW, and many others.. Bring them in, make them apart of AGD (A Group of Developers of Air Guns Design), let them bring AGD back.. Granted they have been doing their products for AGD stuff (some for years) but with their minds and drive and heart MAYBE it could start to turn things around..

I know its a crazy idea, but some times when the Square Peg gets stuck in the round hole you need a bigger hammer and Break the Mold.

Oh and no I havent been drinking or smoking any thing LOL!

For a Canuck that seems like a reasonable idea.

[MicroMiniMe]

Public means stockholders.
Stockholders like to see greatest gain.
How does long term growth appeal if rumors of ADGs demise happens ever year going all the way back to the 90s? Or pressure to create a cheap inferior product to sell more units?

AGD isn't going anywhere. They can hold in the mech market of high quality goods for many years. Remember, tournament paintball is the minority of market sales.

[REDRT]

Public means stockholders.
Stockholders like to see greatest gain.
How does long term growth appeal if rumors of ADGs demise happens ever year going all the way back to the 90s? Or pressure to create a cheap inferior product to sell more units?

AGD isn't going anywhere. They can hold in the mech market of high quality goods for many years. Remember, tournament paintball is the minority of market sales.

It isn't that they are going out of business. Only that they are not developing anything cutting edge or remotely new. Mechanical or electronic. I perdict because of mass sales by the other guys (that AGD should have been a part of IMHO) The 1-2 year old former tournament class E-markers will be making it in to rec players gear bag. They are getting cheaper by the day. What kid is going to want a mech over a marker with as many bells a whistle as today E markers offer? This is going to push mech marker like a mag right out the door. The AGD lions should have wings added. Just like the ruler of the, "Island of Misfit Toys". That is what AGD will become as they sit on their arse, unwanted misfits.

[jsdatjsd]

ANd not a single laugh from the chuff-o-matic post....


On the other hand, it is interesting to hear the Tom still owns AGD. Since he sold the "stock", does that mean AGD no longer manufactures markers, or do they manufacture them and sell them to dave?

WHo is dave?

[slade]

ANd not a single laugh from the chuff-o-matic post....

you arent funny.

well, actually i should clarify. your jokes arent funny.

you are.

/just kidding
//dave = dave zupe = new owner of AGD.

[Pyroboy597]

I giggled ( ) when I read the Chuff-o-matic post.. I kind of thought you were serious about the whole thing until I got to 2000 shots per battery charge.. then I knew that it was either fake or a really bad idea.

[REDRT]

ANd not a single laugh from the chuff-o-matic post....

It was a knee slapper without the laugh.

[Battlewear]

For a Canuck that seems like a reasonable idea.

We have them some times when the artic winds stop blowing for long enough our brains unfreeze hehehe

Any ways, I think the biggest thing is that a lot of people are concerned, none of us want to see AGD go the way of the DoDo bird.. (Believe me, I am not saying they are either!!)

I think we all just care and are passionate about AGD and the products they produce. Of course we want people to know the products we buy, and granted, some times it is cool having these old markers that still kick butt, but part of the issue that we deal with is Marketing.. I am not talking about selling new products persay, but even just things like looking at the AGD web site.. While I know they have put new products on, but how about doing some of the small things that say subconsiously to people WE ARE STILL HERE AND NOT LEAVING (I.E. How about just updating the manuals section to even have a Level X manual? How about a ULT Manual?? These are products that have been out a few years and they dont even have the BASE MANUAL online?? WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?).. Doing the little things will carry weight, not only with new people coming to Mags for the first time, but those returning and those who have never left. How about some one on the inside doing a little blurb once in a blue moon as to new stuff happening, doesnt have to be at AGD as persay, but even as an industry, talk about how Scenario games are being featured more.. How about a team that played a tourney unsponsored by AGD shooting all mags that made it to the finals.. Granted we have the forums, but some people will take what they can from the AGD website and stop there.. Having something like that on the web site will carry weight.

Like the old saying Build it and they will come? Well the forums where built and those shooting AGD have come and lots have stayed. Maybe now its time to start showing some of the new stuff (not meaning product but attitude and updating)

Another idea that I was thinking of is AGD wants to support their dealers, and you know, that is really freaking cool! I think that is a great idea! But how about talking about them on the AGD web site? Links to pages (maybe I missed that part LOL)..

I know AGD may not want to come out and say HEY we are making this new Marker or such, you know, some times its good to keep ones mouth shut with stuff like that but a lot of goodness can come from talking to people about any thing and every thing. I respect Tom so much for that matter! I was always Jazzed to see Tom pipe in with some wisdom! That is apart of what makes AGD so good. I know when Dave took over the word was he would continue to do what Tom did, or try. Now I know I havent been around as much as I would of liked, but has any one seen / heard from him in the forums as of late? I hope so, I really do, because he does seem like a nice guy who now runs / owns (how ever that is worked out) a really nice company!

Viva la AGD
to those that remember (and to go with jsdatjsd (and yes I chuckled)) CHUFF CHUFF

[Battlewear]

Public means stockholders.
Stockholders like to see greatest gain.
How does long term growth appeal if rumors of ADGs demise happens ever year going all the way back to the 90s? Or pressure to create a cheap inferior product to sell more units?

AGD isn't going anywhere. They can hold in the mech market of high quality goods for many years. Remember, tournament paintball is the minority of market sales.

I do understand what your saying!! FOR SURE! Sometimes Stock can be a bad thing for a company too! I think consideration of even partial holders of AGD people like Tuna and Rogue/Magsmith, Luke and such could have an impact on dirrection and such. I dont know about you but I believe with creative minds as those and others could help develope the little things that could bring the Mag back.. Look at Luke offering Spyder Conversions.. Would it not be sweet if with AGD's backing they could offer a new frame that could house all the items? Not to say Luke can't do it him self, but as I believe I had read (and please correct me if I am wrong!) I thought I had read that Luke wouldnt be doing as many due to work and life and such? With the power of a company such as AGD behind the small projects maybe just maybe they can go from being small to larger, to being more cost effective and there by cheapers and more redily available?

Whats the solution? I dont know, I am not a financal guy, I deal with inventories but I just see things from the outside and would love to see AGD regain the glory it should have!

AGD LOVE!

[lather]

If AGD is fine with their position in the industry and performing to their satisfaction, who are we to say they should change their business strategy?

[Battlewear]

If AGD is fine with their position in the industry and performing to their satisfaction, who are we to say they should change their business strategy?

Very True

[REDRT]

If AGD is fine with their position in the industry and performing to their satisfaction, who are we to say they should change their business strategy?

Let us see. For anyone currently employed by AGD. Are you truely satisfied with the companies position in the industry? Or do you feel it is high time to call the exterminator to clear a path to the R&D lab and invent tomorrows mag?

[jsdatjsd]

you arent funny.

well, actually i should clarify. your jokes arent funny.

you are.

/just kidding
//dave = dave zupe = new owner of AGD.

I know Im funny, I crack myself up. The happiest people are those that can entertain themselves.

[jsdatjsd]

Another idea that I was thinking of is AGD wants to support their dealers, and you know, that is really freaking cool! I think that is a great idea! But how about talking about them on the AGD web site? Links to pages (maybe I missed that part LOL)..

Viva la AGD
to those that remember (and to go with jsdatjsd (and yes I chuckled)) CHUFF CHUFF

Hey,

I checked every single one of the dealer links.

Of the few dozen links, only a half dozen or so actually sell anything AGD, and NONE sell AGD markers. A few sell the flatline, and a few more the warp. That's it.

Me sad.