AGD as a company

[peewee]

You are lucky to have rememberd your pass word. I had to restart from scratch after a couple years away from AO.

[REDRT]

You're funny. He has 2000 more posts than you.

More like 3k posts more, but who's counting?

[Bigman]

The simple fact is that they've been mainting their line, new bodies and improving parts but they're at a point where they need something else to sell. Not because they're old because people want MORE! Listen to you guys you're all chomping at the bit to see if AGD is going to come out with anything truely new. Would I like to see more improvements to the RT or X-Valve and level 10 kit or eyes for the e-mag? Hell yes but you can only do so much to a marker thats already awsome. I think the concesous is that AGD is here, just here. They make good stuff to a select few that still know of them and until they try to break new ground they'll just be here.

By the way don't ever call me a newbie again. I rarely post on here for the same reason that people hardly buy AGD stuff.

[REDRT]

If you believe that, there is little to say.

AGD turned over their whole marker. New Valve, Bodies, Frames, Rails, Bolt, ULT's. There is little more they could do to update their marker.

Nonsence. They offer what they want and not what they can. There is always something to improve upon. Take an Emag for example. The battery pack. The Xmag style one was the best looking. Not available anymore. the Battery inside it is heavy in comparison to a 9v. Improve that! Alot of people complain about the battery pack. Save the weight, and make it look more appealing. Maybe even run on a 9v, but that leads to other things. The list goes on and on. Nothing is perfect and everything can be improved opon.

The banner reads, "Because Quality Always Shoots Straight" it should read "Because We Don't Want To"

[slade]

AGD gave you the XValve, ULE body, Level 10, ULT, Y-Grip, amongst other things that were created in response to AO demand(and some sold like crap).

well, ive bought every single one of those...

[jsdatjsd]

and there lies the problem. company's that have a good steady income do not need to be inovative because its human nature to be lazy. if your bill are getting paid and you have your fun money don't tell me you would work any harder than you have to

Well, the other thing is....government contracts do get cut. Mine did about 2 months ago. I found another job, because my skills are in demand. If AGD loses govt funding, then...........

[FooTemps]

well, ive bought every single one of those...

ditto except the ule body, I didn't ask for that.

Skittle, you've been here since 02!? Does that mean you were at chat parties!?

[REDRT]

Thats a crock.

AGD gave you the XValve, ULE body, Level 10, ULT, Y-Grip, amongst other things that were created in response to AO demand(and some sold like crap).

We should have got the Lvl 10 free for sticking with AGD and their blenders for so long. The best item out of the bunch. ULE body is ok, but whom ever did the nickel plating sucks. One I never used and was just laying here in the house started to bubble and flake. Just my extra one not even mounted. Now that is a crock!

AGD offers what you ask for. Until you get what you ask for, and then dont buy it.

I buy like there is no tomorrow, I never asked for the world and I didn't ask for anything for years. I just excepted the way it was. Never questioning why and why not. Now I am. If AGD is one of the oldest paintball companies still in existence and have so many innovative ideas and patents. How is it that the company is so detatched from the industry?

[jsdatjsd]

You know, I still can't complain about the product lineup. Not one bit. I was actually worried that they had gone all electro at one point.

I like that they concentrate on pneumatics.

My only complaint (and it is more serious in my mind than getting new products) is that the websites and dealer directories aren't updated.

Heck, I could probably help them out there. Im sure there a re a dozen or more AO'ers that would as well.

JD

[REDRT]

I didn't buy the Emag until 04. Honestly I couldn't see having one before hand. The Xmag I found so different I felt it was ugly. The Xmag grew on me over time and I feel after having the mag line up, the Emag might be the best all around AGD marker IMO. I believe it is stupid and foolish not to persue the E-class marker. I personally think it will be AGDs undoing. I really shouldn't care about AGD at all. I have my own business to deal with, but I feel strongly about things I like and dislike envolving my hobbies.

[dahoeb]

i agree with rogue when he said paintball technology was nearing its technological envelope. it really is, and the mag is just about there too. besides maybe improving efficiency of markers, theres really just not much more to do.

though the mag is a wonderful marker, but people nowadays would probably consider it boring; no fun little solenoids or lprs or dwell or eyes or ramping or grease to slap down. after 30 min of LX tuning you just gas it up, shoot, and run oil in the asa.
but i wouldn't want my paintball gun or AGD any other way.

[Battlewear]

I agree with the concept that the industry is not going to move much further technologicly in terms of electro's.. I think they have come to a point for maximum.. I think where we will see things go is Pneumatics, that seems really hot, to lighter and lighter markers and maybe further development of that QU valve (sorry not sure of the exact name), but I think the whole electro thing will slow.. Granted they will still be hot! I dont think that will ever change but how fast can you really make them fire? Paintballs will eventually only feed at a max rate..

What I think most people want to know is AGD going to continue to Live, not just survive. Man can survive off bread and water, but it takes real Firepower to live

After reflection of Rogues posts I do see they (AGD) have produced a number of products, and they are some amazing products. Things like the ULE Body, the X Valve and such take the MAG that much further by lightening a sweet marker, things like the ULT and LVL X bolt make it that much more reliable and fun to shoot. So how can AGD make something to bring the people back? I dont know, if I knew that I would be knocking on Rogues door to make it for me But I do know that people care, they want to see AGD doing more things but then who doesnt out of the companies they love

I think the products that the dealers produce like Doc's Cocker to Mag Barrel Adapter, Rogues 15 degree ASA, Tuna's products produced more, on a bigger scale. I know they are costly to make and so would need to sell, but if you get the backing of a company LIKE AGD to help produce the products wouldnt that possibly help reduce the cost, making the products cheaper making it easier to sell.. I for one would buy so many of the products but unfotunately I am not Bill Gates As a Procurement Agent I know that there are ways to reduce costs, and if you can reduce the costs by 10% you have the chance to lower the price while still gaining more profits.

** Drinks Water - Dry mouth from being long winded LOL **

I still love and will always love AGD, I will continue to spend 400.00 on getting a new valve or 600+ on a new body grib and mods to keep my AGD fix going

<3 AGD!

[Cow hunter]

What I think most people want to know is AGD going to continue to Live, not just survive. Man can survive off bread and water, but it takes real Firepower to live

After reflection of Rogues posts I do see they (AGD) have produced a number of products, and they are some amazing products. Things like the ULE Body, the X Valve and such take the MAG that much further by lightening a sweet marker, things like the ULT and LVL X bolt make it that much more reliable and fun to shoot. So how can AGD make something to bring the people back? I dont know, if I knew that I would be knocking on Rogues door to make it for me But I do know that people care, they want to see AGD doing more things but then who doesnt out of the companies they love

well the first thing AGD should do is actually put effort into marketing, maybe sponsor a team, go to some big events, i would LOVE to see an AGD tent at any of the tournaments/D-day. secondly, they have an awesome reputation with those who know them, and i know quite a few people who would get a mag just to try and re-live some of the times they had "back in the day, shooting their ever reliable mag"

[REDRT]

I agree with the concept that the industry is not going to move much further technologicly in terms of electro's..

That is because the industry has gone and done it and is doing it. I'm saying AGD might as well not even be considered part of this industrial growth. They stopped dead when SP a (once lonely barrel company mind you ) sued anyone they could and become an industry leader. Even then before all the hoopla. AGD needed to invest themselves futher on the developement of the E-markers software. Now the arguement was the whole ASTM standards thing. Well them standards never really held up. Tom abided by them and did the right thing in his mind, but come on when you start to see a decline in sales (the bottom line) and the industry is breaking the rules that they set. What are you going to do? Stop what your doing and hide I guess. If your going to make it in this world sometimes you have to take risks and go for broke. No backing down. Beat them in their own game. Fight fire with fire. Play rough, play dirty, play to win. But backing down and and trying not to create waves is what happened. End result was we all lost here in the AGD camp.

I think the products that the dealers produce like Doc's Cocker to Mag Barrel Adapter, Rogues 15 degree ASA, Tuna's products produced more, on a bigger scale.

Too bad AGD has ended production of the raw items to make some of the cool things. It isn't a question if they are going to shoot themselves in the foot, only how bad.

[Skittle]

Skittle, you've been here since 02!? Does that mean you were at chat parties!?

I was there for a couple lol, it was a long while ago! I was only like....15 then lol.

and i know quite a few people who would get a mag just to try and re-live some of the times they had "back in the day, shooting their ever reliable mag"

I'm one of those people.