07 AGD emag...kinda

[Tool-of-death]

When did the disscusion of the 07 E-mag turn into an economics class

I come to paintball forums to read the same thing 50 times over and over again, not to learn stuff JEEZE

[warbeak2099]

Yea, anyone have new info on this? Invert's site is in limbo...

[Lohman446]

Im not implying it, I am being very direct about it. Let me give you examples from 3 of the most common low-end markers: Tippmann, Spyder, and Ion.

There is a huge difference between casting a part, and machining it. Both in cost and quality. Tippmanns are cast, and their cost is evident of this. Companies will only make molds for casting if they have the sales volume to justify it. The cost of the molds are very expensive.

Certain grades of aluminum cannot be cast, others are poor at being machined. Typically, higher grades of aluminum(and costlier) are machinable, not castable. Adding to the cost of a machined product. Those lower grades of aluminum that are cast, are also poor at being anodized. Which is why you dont see 'fancy' anodized Tippmans.

Ion bodies are also a good example of this too. Ion bodies are molded plastic, and are considerably cheaper than their machined aluminum counterparts. This is the reason why a standard Ion is $179, and the SP PL Ions with aluminum bodies are $400+. This is also why Tippmann has come out with their new plastic marker.

As RoadDawg stated, overseas manufacturing and assembly also effects cost. This is why Spyders are so cheap.

Also, intricate parts or fancy milling that require a 4 axis machine will be costlier than a 2/3 axis design. 2/3 axis machines are fairly common, whereas 4 axis(and above) are not due to high capital investment. High end markers use this sort of machining, low-end do not.

So, there are considerable differences between high and low-end. From materials, manufacturing processes and methods, and labor.

I'll give you a noticeable difference. But there is little doubt SP makes a profit at $179. I just don't buy that there is $300 worth of milling, materials, and anno (anno done in bulk is not as expensive as paintball seems to think it is) in the Shocker more than the Ion.

[Tool-of-death]

I'll give you a noticeable difference. But there is little doubt SP makes a profit at $179. I just don't buy that there is $300 worth of milling, materials, and anno (anno done in bulk is not as expensive as paintball seems to think it is) in the Shocker more than the Ion.

There are diffrences between the ion and the shocker other than the milling and anno.

[Lohman446]

There are diffrences between the ion and the shocker other than the milling and anno.

That cost anymore to produce?

[warbeak2099]

That cost anymore to produce?

No I really don't think the Shocker costs $500 more than the Ion to produce.

But anyways... BACK TO TOPIC. HAS ANYONE ANYTHING TO ADD ABOUT THE MINI?

[Tool-of-death]

That cost anymore to produce?

Yeah considering they like you said erlier, mill the gun, the anno it, they use the maxflow reg rather than the ion POS, they use alumiinum (which like you said erlier costs more than plastic) they put a good feed neck on it ect ect ect

and really it only costs them probubly about 200-300$ per shocker, then they sell it to their distributars for 450$ then they sell it to the consumer for 600$.

Your preching A lot of stuff about marketing yet me, a 15 year old with no life and has never taken an economics class in his life could tell you why the shocker costs more.

[warbeak2099]

Yeah considering they like you said erlier, mill the gun, the anno it, they use the maxflow reg rather than the ion POS, they use alumiinum (which like you said erlier costs more than plastic) they put a good feed neck on it ect ect ect

and really it only costs them probubly about 200-300$ per shocker, then they sell it to their distributars for 450$ then they sell it to the consumer for 600$.

Your preching A lot of stuff about marketing yet me, a 15 year old with no life and has never taken an economics class in his life could tell you why the shocker costs more.

Those things cost more, but at a mass production level, certainly not $500 more.

[RoadDawg]

Those things cost more, but at a mass production level, certainly not $500 more.

Unless you add in the designer's cut, the millers cut, the anno'er's cut, the marketing guy's cut, the engineer who designs the box's cut, the workers who package the item's cut, the security guy's cut, and shipping to distributiors cut etc. It all adds up awful fast.

While I will agree that a shocker certainly isn't worth the price tag, the economics guy who is responsible for the price obviously has a different opinion because he is getting what he is asking for it. So his supply and demand are at their equilibrium. If people weren't buying it, the prices would go down but the fact is people are buying it so they are going to maximize their profits by charging more until fewer are sold.

These numbers aren't picked randomly they are selected through the research.

[Lohman446]

with no life and has never taken an economics class in his life could tell you why the shocker costs more.

Your an idiot if you think its that simple.

[warbeak2099]

Unless you add in the designer's cut, the millers cut, the anno'er's cut, the marketing guy's cut, the engineer who designs the box's cut, the workers who package the item's cut, the security guy's cut, and shipping to distributiors cut etc. It all adds up awful fast.

While I will agree that a shocker certainly isn't worth the price tag, the economics guy who is responsible for the price obviously has a different opinion because he is getting what he is asking for it. So his supply and demand are at their equilibrium. If people weren't buying it, the prices would go down but the fact is people are buying it so they are going to maximize their profits by charging more until fewer are sold.

These numbers aren't picked randomly they are selected through the research.

Wow you're really missing something here. All of those costs do not add up to the difference per gun. Because SP mass produces their products, each unit costs very little to produce. As Lohman said, the bigger the batch, the less $$ for anno and stuff. You're also missing the fact that Ions require the same added costs. So again, why the $500 difference?

[warbeak2099]

"the designer's cut, the millers cut, the anno'er's cut, the marketing guy's cut, the engineer who designs the box's cut, the workers who package the item's cut, the security guy's cut, and shipping to distributiors cut etc."

I see, so the Ion does not require any of that...

[SCpoloRicker]

Your an idiot

I lol'd.

/I get your point
//but still

[Majinebz]

I'd buy it, when do they release it for sales? Any projected date? Sorry if its been posted already but theres too much reading and I have been writing a resume for the last 3 hours.... ughh EBZ

[geekwarrior]

I'd buy it, when do they release it for sales? Any projected date? Sorry if its been posted already but theres too much reading and I have been writing a resume for the last 3 hours.... ughh EBZ

Christmas I think they said, around $500. I'm hoping to see it at the OC fairgrounds on the 21st