07 AGD emag...kinda

[tacq]

any thing new

who is making this gun is it AGD or some other brand and any new news on the mini

[mobsterboy]

Ah hah, there you go with your logic again.
It's only ok to steal if you're doing it, Rogue.

derek, hey heres an idea. Dont be an asshat. You got beef with rogue? Grind it and have a cookout all up in your grill. Theres this box in the upper right hand corner of the page, its got a link "Private Messages", learn to use them. Because for some odd reason you seem to have this vendetta against rogue, but i dont see you with a vendetta against the rest of the world? I mean, do you really think product innovation has gone this far this long without someone copying someone elses work, someone borrowing someones ideas, someone hijacking someone elses work?

Or better idea, just go get banned again if you are going to be beligerant

[warbeak2099]

Those arent the only factors. I listed factors in addition to those that werent listed by RoadDawg. You asked why the $500 difference, I answered.

I just don't see it being a $500 difference. The Shocker is overpriced considering what it probably costs to make one. I can't see why the Shocker isn't more like $450-500. It's current pricetag is ridiculous since you can get way better guns for less money. For example, this Mini seems like it will be a superior gun if it can do everything they're saying it can. Hopefully it will.

Tacq, are you serious? "who is making this gun is it AGD or some other brand and any new news on the mini". Please read the first post in this thread. I'm not going to answer that question nor should anyone else. To just jump to the last page without reading the first page or even first post... just go back and read.

[kruger]

I am probably going to regret jumping into this conversation, but here goes...

The cost of manufacturing a paintball marker, or anything is pretty much irrelevant. It is what the market is willing to pay for these items. The "gotta have " factor is what keeps these markers way overpriced. Marketing creates an image and to most yourg players, Image is everything. They may not be able to play paintball, but they are going to look the part to all their friends. The markers today all pretty much shoot the same. They will all shoot 300fps, and most will have a rate of 15bps or better. Now, if the objective was to only shoot the paintballs, then there would be no difference from one marker to another. But, we all know that that is not the case. The objective is Image. At least from the manufacturer's point of view. The look that you present to other players is what most, not all, of the younger players are looking for. And the younger demigraphic is exactly where all the marketing is aimed. So, this year, marker "X" is the gotta have gun. Get it while its hot kiddies, dont want to have last years gun in your hand. Does it cost 1100 bucks to make? Nope, but that is what you are going to have to pay, if you want to have that "Image".

And, you tell me, how is the Ego any better than an Impulse? In today's paintball world both shoot fast enough, both shoot the same distance. The Impulse is a bigger gun, and more difficult to manufacture, the Ego is lighter and probably a bit easier. Better, more availible tech to mill the markers. So, how is an Ego 1100 and an Impulse only 200 to 300 used? Marketing.
That is major difference.

[mr. right-wing]

I like it, but you know what its missing...an X-Valve

[warbeak2099]

I dont either. But that doesnt mean it isnt there.

Aside from the manufacturing differences, one must take into account all the other business expenses.

Consider this, a pair of Air Jordan's ran $150+. We both know the actual cost of manufacuring wasnt $150. They were made in China, and from some accounts didnt cost more than $5 in materials to make.

But to pay Michael Jordan to put his name on them cost multi-millions. And his name is what sold those shoes.

Whats my point? Well, there are quite a few sponsored Pro teams that shoot the Shocker. And that cost is factored into the price of the Shocker. Advertising & Marketing...it isnt free

No that's not what I meant. I mean, they advertise and do promos for the Ion as well. As long as you're with me on the fact that the gun is definitely not worth $500 more than an Ion, that's what I was saying. In fact, I'd rather shoot an Ion...

mr. right-wing... gar! Why must you go there! It's nothing like a mag!!!

[mr. right-wing]

No that's not what I meant. I mean, they advertise and do promos for the Ion as well. As long as you're with me on the fact that the gun is definitely not worth $500 more than an Ion, that's what I was saying. In fact, I'd rather shoot an Ion...

mr. right-wing... gar! Why must you go there! It's nothing like a mag!!!

No, but its a step in the right direction

[warbeak2099]

No, but its a step in the right direction

For what? It's a completely new kind of gun. It's not a step in any direction, it's brand new. It isn't building on any existing platform. It is a new platform.

[warbeak2099]

With the volume that they're selling, it more than makes up for those costs. I just don't believe that it's within reason.

[warbeak2099]

I assure you they sell more Ions than Shockers.

I agree.

[Lohman446]

Yeh, its paintball manufacturers are all so altruistic. Its all about making just enough money. Its nothing about maximizing profits through whatever way necessary

[Majinebz]

Well, most companies are starting to ship their designs over to asia and have them milled. dirt cheap and fairly good quality. I think even dye has started having their guns milled in asia. Its all sent back to USA, they slap an anno on it and piece it together here. That way they can say, "made in the good old USA". So if the DM (whatever) is milled in asia for pennies and then sent back to USA after some import/export fees. They anno it and slap the parts in it, and sell it for the same price they where when they were made in America. So they make 400 or so more dollars per marker sale because of outsourcing jobs to asian milling factories. AND not to mention taking jobs away from the american public.

So if the guns gonna be milled in asia, it better have that cheap A$$ Thai whore smell and one night stand price with it. which was around 500 BHT last I was there. hehehe

I also think the hype has to do with the price as stated above. Which is kinda sad. Like where does SP have their markers made now? Kingman? Dye? etc... etc... its all going to outsourcing and your still paying for a hyped AMERICAN claimed made and priced item, that really cost the company a small fraction of what they charge..

[astroboy]

it's called supply and demand if people stopped paying $1200 for a gun then the prices would fall but those flag ship guns are still selling well because for whatever reason a lot of people don't mind paying that price...

[manike]

Well it would be great to get this back on topic... so here's some more images to distract you...

OK, for all of those wondering just how big the foregrip is and how it all works...







See... the foregrip is 'mini', just big enough to house a 9V and a board turned sideways. So if the foregrip is that small... puts the rest of the gun to scale huh?

Can't wait to see the faces of those of you that come and shoot it at Commanders Cup. :tup:

[kruger]

You know, I thought that I had just about all the markers that I could stand. But, I think that I have just enough room for one more..........

When this thread started, and the pics were posted, I just liked the "look" of this marker. And the price is very reasonable, in my opinion. Mark another one "sold"