How to make a non partial Governing body in paintball today

[SlartyBartFast]

No matter how hard we try, IS it possible to package this game into a product someone will buy?

and why does it have to be packaged as a product someone will buy? There are dozens of national and international sports and activities with little or no interest from outside the participants and organising bodies.

It's just greedy paintballers who think that their hobby has a manifest destiny to become professional and pay out thousands of dollars eacha nd every tournament.

As long as paintballers are greedy and idolize cheating and a "win at all costs" attitude along with refusing to put good organisation and reffing behind thier decision to participate in a tournament, paintball is unlikely to evolve.

[Lohman446]

and why does it have to be packaged as a product someone will buy? There are dozens of national and international sports and activities with little or no interest from outside the participants and organising bodies.

It's just greedy paintballers who think that their hobby has a manifest destiny to become professional and pay out thousands of dollars eacha nd every tournament.

As long as paintballers are greedy and idolize cheating and a "win at all costs" attitude along with refusing to put good organisation and reffinf behind thier decision to participate in a tournament, paintball is unlikely to evolve.

Simply QFT. Paintball would be better today if the concept of TV had never been discussed. At least in my opinion

[hitech]

Even with the best of everything, would this sport of paintball, that we all love, interest enough of the non playing public to: Attend tournaments, watch it on tv, buy licensed products, support/buy from sponsors & advertisers, etc, etc. Can we make some kind of brand identity? Get people to actually follow and support teams?

Nope. As I said eariler, THAT is the problem...

[coreyander]

Im sorry....I just had to laugh a little at the thread.

nice, but I doubt it would ever happen.

[kruger]

Mr. Coreyander, If you have not recognized it yet, we do know that this is all just an exercise of ideas, debating for the sake of it. We all know that anything that we decide has no real effect on anything other than the way we treat each other, here in this forum. But I do find it curious as to what made you laugh......mind tossing in your point of view? Or does the idea of a paintball league that doesnt cheat, and players that have honor, sponsors that dont have a damn thing to do with paintball what made you chuckle

[coreyander]

Mr. Coreyander, If you have not recognized it yet, we do know that this is all just an exercise of ideas, debating for the sake of it. We all know that anything that we decide has no real effect on anything other than the way we treat each other, here in this forum. But I do find it curious as to what made you laugh......mind tossing in your point of view? Or does the idea of a paintball league that doesnt cheat, and players that have honor, sponsors that dont have a damn thing to do with paintball what made you chuckle

I know its ideas. I chuckled not because ppl giving their ideas, but to me whats funny is just by reading it seems as if a lot of ppl here are on some kind of crusade to change the sport of paintball.

Im not laughing about any league, but how seriously some ppl take thier ideas. I guess to me whats funny is the way its approached analytically by ppl. It is, remember, debating for the sake of it.......and I guess ultimately that is what is funny. Its comes across as senseless meanderings that have no effect on or anything to do w/ the paintball scene.

please......dont take it the wrong way. Everyone has a different sense of humor. I am just humored by the "analysis" of paintball. Its a game of tag w/ paint filled gelatin sacks. Hmmmm. To each his own I suppose.

I guess also kinda whats funny is the way the questions are posted......somewhat rhetorical. But.....I guess it makes for some fun reading.

[Chronobreak]

well to some people its more than a sport.

i wish i could go back to just playing and being unaware of the politics of paintball. but once you start to notice them and hear about things going on its a friggin mess to say the least.

ive been playing long enough to see the changes in the sport gradually over the eyars.

and to say "cheating has always been,is part, and will always be part of the sport" is blatant ignorance and acceptance of the forementioned mindset.

i guess i just wish more people would play for fun and respect, and not the win win win at all cost mentality in rec/competitive ball.

im not ona crusade to save the sport, im not even gonna bother trying, but atleast if i keep playing there is 1 person on the field that isnt cheating.

i wanted to see what others here think is the reason so many have failed and left us with the manufacturers running the sport.

[coreyander]

well to some people its more than a sport.

i wish i could go back to just playing and being unaware of the politics of paintball. but once you start to notice them and hear about things going on its a friggin mess to say the least.

ive been playing long enough to see the changes in the sport gradually over the eyars.

and to say "cheating has always been,is part, and will always be part of the sport" is blatant ignorance and acceptance of the forementioned mindset.

i guess i just wish more people would play for fun and respect, and not the win win win at all cost mentality in rec/competitive ball.

im not ona crusade to save the sport, im not even gonna bother trying, but atleast if i keep playing there is 1 person on the field that isnt cheating.

i wanted to see what others here think is the reason so many have failed and left us with the manufacturers running the sport.

ive never said cheating has always been a part of the game or always will be, but it happens. In another thread ive also said ppl cheat at everything. Its not just paintball. In almost every facet of life, there are cheaters....school, sports, work, politics, traffic......the list can go on and on. All you can really do about it is do what you were taught to be right and lead by example. Putting your opinions on a banner is not really going to make you look like the "good guy" that doesnt cheat.

Anyway, I am glad that you stand up for what you believe in

[Lohman446]

Corey, most of us realize the small amount (notice I did not say none) of impact we can have. We have these discussions as much for an intellectual exercise as anything else. My recommendation to you, get used to it, its what we do on AO, and if you watch we have a six month cycle of having the same discussions again. Becoming a nuisance to, and a hinderance to these dicussions, is not a good thing around here. Participate in them, but do not ridicule them.

And I mean that nicely

[Chronobreak]

lol i diddnt even notice he was a new member, and was wondering why he was posting as he did.

i think this topic alone has been discussed but somethings have changed such as possible declining of nppl. there has been drop in nppl attendances around the area last i heard, and many players being upset with various aspects of the way they are ran.

[coreyander]

Im just not used to seeing ppl worry about things and debate so much. Didnt know it was THAT important to you guys.

cheers.

[kruger]

It is important to some, but it is mostly a pastime. There are not that many interesting things in paintball. This marker, that marker, they are all basically the same. The thing, it seems here, it the debate itself. It could just as easily be plasma TVs, if this were that kind of forum. Anyway, welcome and feel free to contribute.

[Aggravated Assault]

Looking back at my last post, I think I should have phrased it "Do we have a product that anybody wants to buy...and if not, why not? In the imaginary leauge I was refering to we have everything fixed.

That's what I'm wondering. Is it the game itself or the way we present it?

and why does it have to be packaged as a product someone will buy? There are dozens of national and international sports and activities with little or no interest from outside the participants and organising bodies.

I dig what you're sayin here (and don't necessarily dissagree). But, the way I am thinking in my hypothetical, this said it best:

A new governing body would have to take the Tourny scene by storm and at the same time , be able to support itself (at least at first) , offer extremely enticing Tourny prizes/Money and make it seem like if you have a Team THIS is where you need to be playing..

I believe one way is to "sell" the sport. How much product would need to be sold is the other end.... I'll add something here: lets say Non-tournament playing public. There's a lot of that public that has played once or twice, plays rec/woods occasionally, and then hardcore rec/scenario. Reports say over 10 million played in 2005. Not shabby.How many in the last five years?

Go back to first question. "Do we have a product that [Non-tournament playing public] wants to buy...and if not, why not?"

[RRfireblade]

Go back to first question. "Do we have a product that [Non-tournament playing public] wants to buy...and if not, why not?"

No , same reason your average field can't make a buck or even stay in business....


It's a sport most feel they can play anywhere , anytime for free.

[Aggravated Assault]

I can play basketball anywhere and anytime for free. Yet, I still watch it on TV. Sometimes even buy licensed stuff.

Once in a great while I even go to a game.


I'm not sure this is the biggest hurdle. Maybe to the local field trying to survive it's a big problem nowadays - but I would think it would be a minor one at best in the context of a Leauge or governing body.