Ramping...

[mobsterboy]

Is it really a help? Cuz I see it as a HANDICAP. Its like when the old people are at Walmart, they use the scootercarts to get around. Well ramping is like that, its basically saying I suck at paintball and need something to bump my game up to the level of others.

What are your thoughts about it? Im not asking you to quote rules or say how much its improved the game, im talking about your individual skill. Has it helped or hindered you? If you picked up a true semi gun, would you just suck major now that your accustomed to ramping...

[flyingpootang]

Ramp dosen't make someone better, but it makes your hit probablity go up.

[minimag86]

I personally don't preticularly care so long as they let me use my rt trigger on my mag......

[Piranti]

want to increase your chances of hitting someone? Play pump only for 6 months

[11 Bravo]

Ramping isnt that big a deal. If you have a well adjusted trigger its pretty easy to get up there in a high bps range on semi. Other words I dont think it takes alot of skill to shoot fast these days on semi.

[kruger]

I tend to look at paintball a little differently. I play woods/scenario ball. I look at it as a goal orientated sport. To acheive the goal, you MAY have to shoot. The marker is just one means to acheive the objective. Granted, you have to use it a lot of times, but not always. And, it is fun as heck to sling paint at the little speed bumps between you and your objective. So, I look at ramping as a more effective tool availible. Personaly, I dont use ramping, but I have the ability. I find that I do tend to need more paint than I can carry when I have used ramping. So, ramping does have its place, as supressive fire so your buddy can make a move without being seen. The same can be said for any jump in manufactured ability. Example: The automatic transmission for the automobile. There are some that will say that if you use an automatic, you are not driving the car, but riding in it. Manual users say that they are in more control, more connected. It is really a matter of preference as far as I am concerned. Like I said, I dont use ramping, but at my field, we allow it, up to 15 bps. We do tend to discourage anything over that tho. Are rampers more effective? I say not. But, I dont know everything, so I just keep playing in semi, and try to keep my eye on the goal.

[Lohman446]

Ramping, used well, helps.

[grEnAlEins]

If you picked up a true semi gun, would you just suck major now that your accustomed to ramping...

I am not accustomed to ramping though Seriously though, I have found that I am used to the electro pull, so going mech is tougher, but I still do it frequently.

[mobsterboy]

I tend to look at paintball a little differently. I play woods/scenario ball. I look at it as a goal orientated sport. To acheive the goal, you MAY have to shoot. The marker is just one means to acheive the objective. Granted, you have to use it a lot of times, but not always. And, it is fun as heck to sling paint at the little speed bumps between you and your objective. So, I look at ramping as a more effective tool availible. Personaly, I dont use ramping, but I have the ability. I find that I do tend to need more paint than I can carry when I have used ramping. So, ramping does have its place, as supressive fire so your buddy can make a move without being seen. The same can be said for any jump in manufactured ability. Example: The automatic transmission for the automobile. There are some that will say that if you use an automatic, you are not driving the car, but riding in it. Manual users say that they are in more control, more connected. It is really a matter of preference as far as I am concerned. Like I said, I dont use ramping, but at my field, we allow it, up to 15 bps. We do tend to discourage anything over that tho. Are rampers more effective? I say not. But, I dont know everything, so I just keep playing in semi, and try to keep my eye on the goal.

Terrible analogy. This is a sport we're talking about, not a useful object in everyday life. Now if you wanted to argue that automatic in racing as a handicap, then yes, because those guys are so accustomed to the sound of their engines that they know when to shift in order to get the most out of their engine. Not the same at all. We're talking something that used to be a well-sought after ability that now everyone has because of ramping, and its ruining the sport because there is no real responsibility to such great power that has been given. Before, you pretty much earned your power and knew the responsibilities when you played and practiced walking. You saw that it was something that needed work to make perfect and you stood out of the crowd because of it.
And seriously, if you think thats a good analogy, rethink the context. Think more of something like a mounted motorized fishing reel after 3 pulls if you keep it at 3 pulls. Is fishing still fun after somethign like that would come out?

Ramping, used well, helps.

Helps what? It sure doesnt help your accuracy, because thats a kill factor over total shots taken, and im thinking most speedballers are at like .01%. Helps your ego? Yeah, but most peoples ego's are already so ridiculously huge that they dont need that help. Helps your game? Why? What was wrong with your game to start with? lt certainly doesnt help your skill increase, because it is not relying on accuracy or movement. So what does it help? One things for sure, it has helped destroy a perfectly good sport to the point where we have great players quitting because of the environment paintball has today. Hostility, meanness, uninviting players with no morals that will push the limits any chance they get, and cheating, if anyone wants me to make correlations between any of these that i just listed and ramping being the cause, just let me know. I only see it really helping and benefitting the paintball manufacturing companies. No one else.

[Lohman446]

Helps what? It sure doesnt help your accuracy, because thats a kill factor over total shots taken, and im thinking most speedballers are at like .01%. Helps your ego? Yeah, but most peoples ego's are already so ridiculously huge that they dont need that help. Helps your game? Why? What was wrong with your game to start with? lt certainly doesnt help your skill increase, because it is not relying on accuracy or movement. So what does it help? One things for sure, it has helped destroy a perfectly good sport to the point where we have great players quitting because of the environment paintball has today. Hostility, meanness, uninviting players with no morals that will push the limits any chance they get, and cheating, if anyone wants me to make correlations between any of these that i just listed and ramping being the cause, just let me know. I only see it really helping and benefitting the paintball manufacturing companies. No one else.

Used properly - I have used ramping to allow me to make moves I would nto have made in semi :)

[BigEvil]

Playing against others who are using ramping is no fun. When the playing field is even, I have no problems. I just hate getting picked on by the refs "ugh, could you slow that thing down". They must not notice the half a case of paint im wearing on my jersey at the time. :)

Ramping is a definate help at times - like when that guy behind the dorito keeps sticking his head out at regular intervals...

[FromTheBack]

Helps what? It sure doesnt help your accuracy, because thats a kill factor over total shots taken, and im thinking most speedballers are at like .01%. Helps your ego? Yeah, but most peoples ego's are already so ridiculously huge that they dont need that help. Helps your game? Why? What was wrong with your game to start with? lt certainly doesnt help your skill increase, because it is not relying on accuracy or movement. So what does it help? One things for sure, it has helped destroy a perfectly good sport to the point where we have great players quitting because of the environment paintball has today. Hostility, meanness, uninviting players with no morals that will push the limits any chance they get, and cheating, if anyone wants me to make correlations between any of these that i just listed and ramping being the cause, just let me know. I only see it really helping and benefitting the paintball manufacturing companies. No one else.

In my experience it makes the game more aggressive. This is because it gives the running player confidence that while he is running and gunning his bps doesn't get cut down from the faster speed you have while being stationary at the bunker. With ramping you have that steady bps to shoot someone in with while you bump. Personally I think this has made me a more aggressive player as far as my confidence with making more aggressive moves. You could argue that you wouldnt be as confident playing semi after ramping but from what I have noticed in myself while playing is that that the confidence sticks. I've also noticed that some teams who normally play with ramping and that play in Semi tournaments do better in those semi tournaments (of course having their guns on semi) because of their aggressive style. If you've seen differently please do tell but this is the main skill improvement to me when coming from ramping to semi.
And please, try not to be so pessimistic about where the sport is going, it is more exposed than ever and I'm pretty sure I still enjoy it along with many a player; you act like the world is ending. We live in a capitalistic society and ramping is profitable.

[slateman]

Its a help when laning and for back players. It allows a back player to reload without actually stopping his trigger finger or pulling down the gun

[kruger]

Mobsterboy: In the context of what I was trying to pass on, you definitly missed it. The point that I was trying to make was "change". Things will always change, they always will. Humans naturaly oppose change, as you have proven in your post. Also, I am speaking from a woodsball point of view. I dont have speedball at my field. Don't own any Sup'Air bunkers. Do you know why? Because of the attitude that the speedballers have. Arrogance and agressiviness do have their place on a paintball field, but not as a way of life. Do you actually think that ramping is what gave the speedballers their attitude?

The thing that I like about woodball is that there is a place for all kinds of personalities. Those that are aggresive get to do their thing and those that are passive get to do their thing. At my field, we play for the FUN of it. We dont have tourneys, we dont have rankings, we dont do that. This is a kids game that the grownups adopted for their own, to be kids again. If the players that you play with are not up to your standards, then find some place else to play. Or quit. Complaining about change does not stop the change. If there are certain parts of the game that you dont agree with, then dont associate with those parts. It really is very simple.

Oh, and have you ever been deep sea fishing? Guess what, they got motors on the reels, and Yea, its fun.

[RavishingEddie]

What is the difference?

Can someone please help me here. I need to know what is the difference between Ramping and full auto?