Ramping...

[REDRT]

I wonder why all the same arguements over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

[kruger]

Redrt, I was wondering the same thing. This thread has appeared numerous times, but it just had a different name.

[FlawleZ]

Alright.

First of all, could you guys disagree anymore? Half of your posts are redundant and your oinions have been stated and restated. We seem to have a pissing contest going on here (with all due respect).


Ramping is an important part of competitive paintball today. Walk out on the field without it and you're at a disadvantage I don't care who you are. Whether the aspect of actually pulling the trigger fast is a necessary skill to be competitive in paintball or not is a moot point. That's why we have PSP and NPPL. Compete however you'd like.

In my opinion, the game was better off without ramping. NOT because of the consistent high rates of fire, but with the attitudes of the people who are affiliated with the sport today. In the end, when you pit two teams against each other with ramping, the most skilled team will still win because all other factors are constant. The same goes for two teams playing without ramping. The debate whether it makes a significant impact in situations where one team or player has ramping and the other doesn't is nonexistant because this situation doesn't exist in a professional setting.

[REDRT]

Redrt, I was wondering the same thing. This thread has appeared numerous times, but it just had a different name.

Like most subject matters or this forum.

[SpitFire1299]

Ramping allows players to work on field work more. Yes, it kind of makes accuracy and speed much easier. But then again, it makes everything else harder. :)

[p8ntball72]

The problem with ramping "in my experience", is that it is widely used [under the radar] in rec and more now in Scenario.

I have played 20+ "events" in the last two years, and Ramping is becoming a serious problem with recreational players.

I dont play tournaments.. so ramping should not effect me right?..

I'm finding it harder and harder to find a field owner that provides not only a safe environment for me to play, but also to supply a game format that I feel comfortable playing.

I'm this close to getting my Golf clubs polished, anodized, and regripped.
Fireblade, can you do some custom milling on my irons?

[Lenny]

Ramping is a tool. Just like semi-auto was. Just like the auto-trigger was before that. Just like constant air was. Bulk Loaders. Etc.

All of these things have become standard. If used correctly, it is a viable tool. Used incorrectly, it is a crutch.

I agree with Loh, there is alot of skill still left in trigger play with ramping.

I also agree with Rogue in that it does take some skill out of trigger play by making it easier.

I still believe the pro's (or any good team for that matter) use it correctly. They don't win because of ramping and insane ROF. It is used as a tool to help them win. They win because of outstanding teamwork and great plays and maneuvers performed by the players. They win because of great team communication. They win because of sacrafice. They win because they support eachother. They win because they are skilled. They don't just rely on ramping to do the work for them.

Many of the young "agg"-ers use it as their only way to win. Many rec players will not use it as a tool. They will use it to the advantage of neglecting other skills. Thus, they are hurting themselves in the process. I started playing with a Spyder Compact. If I wanted to shoot fast, I really had to work at it. Since then, I have learned to appreciate higher ROF and to use it to my advantage.

Many of these newer kids are raised with nothing less than an e-grip'd blowback. ROF is, and always has been, there for them. They never learned to appreciate the higher ROF electro's uphold. Just like I never appreciated the ROF semi's hold against those raised on pumps; that is, until I began to really play pump.

It's like a calculator on a math test. It'll help you if used properly; to help you calculate. But, if you do not take the time to learn the formulas or the processes and rely on the calculator to simply figure all that out for you, you're really just hurting yourself. Your not really learning anything.

So, can we just agree to disagree and be friends again?

And maybe let this topic die?

[mobsterboy]

Like most subject matters or this forum.

hmm, well if it wasnt discussed over and over again, we'd just have a thread of facts and be done with it. But seeing as that facts alone dont make a forum worth coming to, and that controversy often draws higher crowds, stirs up the masses and often creates more threads off these ideas, this is what the great minds of paintball do, bounce around facts, opinions, references, beliefs in a goal to advance the sport for the better.
I mean honestly, if you really think back, usually the "good old days" that you remember are either Pre-Ion or Pre-Ramping (Just wait, the Ion thread will come), how can you honestly say the sport has advanced at all if most of the 2+ year players now do not like the sport as much as they did?

Ok, teamwork, so by giving everyone the exact same bps speed, you are no longer relying on your backplayers to lane the fields with suppressive fire and instead you give a player a one gun fits all piece of equipment. So instead of seeing your front players as snapshooters and angle workers, you see them as having just as much firepower as the backplayers. Ramping has pretty much put everyone on the all out front offensive, no one stays behind to lane, no one gives cover fire, everyone is their own team essentially. Wheres teamwork in that?

Lohman, it wasnt about what you said. Just think of it this way, what makes you stand out in paintball? Skills, you gotta have skills.(Man, i feel like that came straight out of Napoleon Dynamite) So every aspect of the game is a skill. Positions, covering for eachother, stances, movements, everything. And being good at all those is what makes the pro's different from everyone else. So by eliminating one aspect of the game, you are essentially making it easier to become pro. That would be like saying, as long as the baseball hits the ball, its a homerun. Well, if everyone can at least hit the ball, homeruns are no longer special, are they? So the ability to walk a paintball gun throughout the game was somethign special that set people apart from everyone else, told you who was good and who wasnt, now its a trait any noob with an ion and a little bounce setting can do. Granted its not legal ramping, but during rec days, no one really cares. Frankly, I could care less if I won or loss...to someone who actually knew the game, all the aspects of it and practiced to get the skill they had. But when its a new player fresh on the scene, I dont like the fac that he does not possess the respect needed, learned and earned, when it comes to nice guns and bps speeds for older players. More power to young players that are good, but when a kid comes to the field with his brand new (at the time) DM5 that he got for christmas and strips teh feedneck threads (on the body, not the feedneck) out just putting it on, do you really think he deserves to shoot that fast with no effort, practice and learned skill?

[RRfireblade]

I'll just add a little summary.

More shots in a game using inaccurate equiptment = Better

More shots in a game using unpredictable projectiles = Better

More shots in a game where baggy clothes are legal = Better

More shots in a game where a slide in the dirt = no more marks = Better

More shots where brushing off "Splatter" = no more marks = Better

Physical ability to put more shots into the air and on target than the competition = Advantage

Physical ability removed and evenly distributed to every other player on the field = Reverse Evolution. :)


Let's just keep the whole Ramping discussion on it's only 'Real' point.

It has NOTHING to do with competition , evening the playing field or any other competition related context. It was deceided and was in widespread agreement YEARS ago that true semiauto play should be the core of the game at the highest skill levels of the sport.

Ramping is ONLY in existance for one and only one reason , as a complete bail out by the current governing bodies in a totally failed attempt to stop cheaters. Let them all cheat and that's one less thing out of our control to worry about... Oh , and the fact the we sell them the paint is just an added bonus.

It's really that simple.

Other than that , if it's legal for 'you' and you have no shame in explioting that than use it.

If any of that doesn't apply to you , then don't. Cool thing about personal opinion huh? :)

[kruger]

If the players that you play with are not up to your standards, then find some place else to play. Or quit. Complaining about change does not stop the change. If there are certain parts of the game that you dont agree with, then dont associate with those parts. It really is very simple.

[dahoeb]

professional paintball is supposed to measure a persons skill in paintball. what better way to sort the truly great players from the rest of the flock than to grade all of the skills they're proficient at? eg: trigger control....


baseball doesn't allow cork, even though cork would make it easier for some of the weaker players to hit homeruns.

nascar requires all the cars to meet very specific specs inorder to better measure the driver himself and not the equipment hes riding it.

i just don't see why pball should be much different.

just my 2cents

[superfreakmabsta]

i seriuosly cant believe for a secound that threads like this continue to pop up. i use semi but only because i want to play a format that doesnt allow ramping in it. other then that i would continue to use it in a heart beat. i dont understand the issue. ramping does not in any way detract from the game. todays xball games utilize 15 bps ramping. each point is a fraction of the time and uses a fraction of the paint that we were seeing players use in 10 man games. omg. ramping is here to stay, so you best get used to it. me and my mag are going to ramp at every badlandz tourny we play in.

[mobsterboy]

i seriuosly cant believe for a secound that threads like this continue to pop up. i use semi but only because i want to play a format that doesnt allow ramping in it. other then that i would continue to use it in a heart beat. i dont understand the issue. ramping does not in any way detract from the game. todays xball games utilize 15 bps ramping. each point is a fraction of the time and uses a fraction of the paint that we were seeing players use in 10 man games. omg. ramping is here to stay, so you best get used to it. me and my mag are going to ramp at every badlandz tourny we play in.

next weeks thread will be about people and their secret identities. Cuz i seriously wanna know who don miguel is. I would just laugh if it was like Zupe just messing with us tho

[warbeak2099]

next weeks thread will be about people and their secret identities. Cuz i seriously wanna know who don miguel is. I would just laugh if it was like Zupe just messing with us tho

Oh my god that would be friggin hilarious.

[REDRT]

AGD is closing the doors?
What is the difference of the Xvalve vs an rt valve?
When is AGD going to come out with...?
When is tag going to release...?
Ramping...
Ion...
Smart parts this and that...
When is the hAir trigger coming out?

Just a few topics that get talked about over and over again. Why is it? I mean if I was to go a "do a search" (yet another annoying phrase) I get board to death reading the countless pages of crap. Suprisingly enough it never ends. Just plain stupidity. I'd suppose if the same things didn't get talked about from day to day the forum wouldn't have anything to talk about. Has it come to that? Originality? Seriously?