How about an "economy" e-grip from AGD?

[rifleman]

I think I remember Tom saying something about the e-conversions costing too much, seeming that the conversion is just a little cheaper from an emag. Also, something about the e-conversions giving the owners problems of disasembling their guns without screwing up the solenoid?

Well why not make just a grip, yes-such as the hyperframe or booyaah frame, that mag owners could just slap onto their guns themselves. I know that agd has never wanted a 9volt running the solenoid because of voltage problems, but that would be among the negatives of buying the grip. This way, regular mag owners could go electric and keep their mag without spending a mucho-lotto-money.

Whatcha think?

[randomboy]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are working on one right now...

[AGD]

What price would an economy version have to be?

AGD

[thei3ug]

remember the tolerance problems?

[Flamebo]

With AGD quality, I'd say $350-375 would be reasonable... Any more and they might as well get the conversion.

[a_malfunction]

I would think that they should cost around $200 for an economy grip. If you are making a delux type thing, then charge what flamebo said

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[keebler]

i would say a frame for about 275. that is around normal price for frames similar. but if you do make this frame agd, make it with some nice grips like dye sticky grips or something similar. just make sure it is comfy. i would buy one. i dont realy trust booyah or centerflag, so i was going to send in my mag to get the electronic upgrade until i saw the price. well that is a pretty f*ing penny.

[MAGBOY]

I Think that would be a great idea. But There are the Tolerances. Remember the pics of those bolts from the e-lcd mag?

[Chaos]

First off, I know I would sell one of my mags and pay $300 for a grip from AGD to make my gun electro. My idea is, why couldn't they make a bolt on piece, that is a combination of the frame, bodyrail, and forgrip/battery (basically the bottom half of an emag). This would be easier for AGD to manufactur I think (since they dont have to change much from the emag, I think), and also would leave more space for 'bolt on' for AGD to work with, and would solve the 9v running the solenoid problem. Personally, I know for a fact I'm buying the new AGD frame because it looks like it will work great, and because I want to have it work with my warp . I think a similar priced (to the hyperframe and such) economy frame would be great.


Another thing this accomplishes, is one of the main problems I see with the current conversion. The current costs around $500. Now take that, and the lowest price I've seen retail for a retro (currently thats at $279). Now, for shipping and all that, without even the cost of your mag, theres $800+ (including shipping for those things). Now you gotta figure someone has put in atleast $300 in just the purchase of their mag, forgetting about upgrades and barrels and such. Emags retail right now cheapest for around $900-1000, and right there you're talking atleast $1100, and its a conversion and not the real thing (to a sense). Take this economy version, sell it for about the same price as the retro or similar priced frames, and you're spending $500-600 for a similar setup as the emag. Much better in my mind, but I wouldn't even get the retro for my mag if I had either conversions.

Now for me personally, I know the big seller for me is the new body styling and all that good stuff of the modular emag, so thats what I plan on buying, but I think I would rather buy a modular emag body and economy AGD eframe since it would be compatable with my 5 mags I currently own....

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[rictus]

Also some of us have our Mags set up in a way that excludes us from getting the upgrade. Like a stabilizer for when I run CO2. I don't have a retro either. So a nice cheap electronic trigger would be nice. A simple way would be to make it purely an electronic trigger only with no frills. I don't care about bursts and readouts, if I did I'd buy an E-Mag. Just the same frame with a sensor and small board to control solenoid every shot. What do you guys think about that? Keep it real simple so we can get that electro feeling trigger.

Also if tolerences were that much of a problem for AGD would they be making a double trigger add on frame as we speak?

[This message has been edited by rictus (edited 07-15-2001).]

[st6212]

This was discussed ages ago, when the AGD .45 frame was in the design stages.

Myself and a few others really wanted and tried to push for an electro upgrade back then.

But from the responses against/or lack thereof....it seemed like, "Forget it...it ain't gonna happen" kinda situation.

Since the idea is brought up again.....OOHH YEAH!!!!

In a previous post, Tom posted a description of the problem with the conversion and I offered an idea on how to cirumvent that, no reply back on its feasibility.

One thing I never mentioned though about having an E-mag upgrade is. I think the best thing to do is just have an electro only upgrade. And not worry about having the feature of switching between electro and mechanical mode like that of the E-mag.

That in itself should cut costs down. Price-wise I think about the price of a Hyperframe. Maybe the price between a boo-yaah and a hyperframe.

Other costs savers is to reduce the number of features, as I think alot of people don't have the use for all that. As a tourney player, I have no use for the array of features found on alot of electro's. Do Angels have temperature reading yet?

The advantage of electro is absolutely no short-stroking(yes, you can still short-stroke with a Retro) and you can keep up with the fire-rate with all the other electro's out there. Also, your aim can be improved....part of the inaccuracy in firing a mechanical marker, is the movement of the trigger. Warpig's review on the Hyperframe noticed this, they were able to shoot better/accurate with the Hyperframe than they could in mechanical mode.

[lonsch]

I don't see why they cant make one like the center flag but use a bigger solenoid and the 18volt battery pack from the emag.

[rifleman]

Oh, I'd say about 300 or so, just enough to keep up with the competition. Of course, if AGD did come out with an economy egrip, there wouldn't be any competition, why would someone buy anything else?

I wonder if this thing could actually happen? hmm....

[mykroft]

I'll buy one, as long as it's under $600cdn, call it $350USD (we pay silly markup as well as conversion), one thing, I have no need of silly LCD, burst/turbo/Full-Auto modes, make it like BM2K, open grip, set ROF, go, and make it take stickies, I would rather have stickies than fancy features that I'll never use. ReTro compatability would be essential too. Little LCD would be OK, I'd still buy it, but if you go that route, please then make it take Angel LCD grips, as Dye just brough out LCD stickies.

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[Rooster]

I play in several tournements that only allow semiguns, as in, no electros. On the otehr hand others you can use the electros. A bolt on mod would be great for my fairly stock mag. It would give me the competitive advantage of an electro pull, and not have to go waaaaay out of my budget to get an electro, even a cheap one.

If this is possible, I'd do my best to put down 275 - 300 for it.

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