How about an "economy" e-grip from AGD?

[rifleman]

*nudge*

No go AGD?

[AGD]

Damn you guys keep poking me, ok I'll answer. We usually try and stay away from the bottom of the market because Taiwan can always make them cheaper but due to the number of responses from this post you have me thinking.

So you would want a no display, no frills, solenoid driven, 9v powered grip frame to make the mag shoot in electric mode.

Would you be willing to deal with the folllowing issues?

Changing the battery every 3-5000 shots.
If you shoot 1000 shots in a row it might stop firing.
If you let it get hot in your trunk it might not shoot at all.
No trigger adjustments possible, what you see is what you get.
No manual overide
Cost more than a hyperframe
battery might be mounted outside the grip in a box somewhere.
You would want this to put off jersies, gear bags, patchs, stickers etc.

Tell me specifically which ones bother you the most or the least.

AGD

[rifleman]

Wow! Finally got Tom to reply

Changing the battery every 3-5000 shots.
*No problem at all*
If you shoot 1000 shots in a row it might stop firing.
*You mean like FA 13/sec I hope???; I think I'd be tough selling them if people couldn't get through a day of 1000rnds*
If you let it get hot in your trunk it might not shoot at all.
*Gonna have to keep on the a/c I guess *
No trigger adjustments possible, what you see is what you get.
*It's electric anyway!*
No manual overide
*We still have the stock mechanical frame!*
Cost more than a hyperframe
*How much more?*
battery might be mounted outside the grip in a box somewhere.
*Wouldn't for me, but a few may go with the hyperframe b/c of this*
You would want this to put off jersies, gear bags, patchs, stickers etc.
*YES!!!*


Thanks for your consideration Tom,
Adam

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[PyRo]

I want my AGD jersey, and patches more than an electro frame, then again, i cannot afford an electro frame, so i want what i can afford first. Given the negatives of these frames, i don't think that they are worth it. Really $300+ or so to make your gun electro, not even a reliable electro at that? I think that an e-mag would be worth the extra couple hundred dollars.
AGD would most likely suffer poor sales on these frames, if it went through, due to the hyperframe being cheaper, not having an external battey, and possible more reliable. Then their is the warrenty work, AGD probably could not really place a long term warenty on these frames.
One more thing, if the battery is going to be external in a box, why not just add a clip for 2 AAs or another 9v to up the voltage?

[st6212]

Changing the battery every 3-5000 shots.
*Well, how many shots can an e-mag take in electro, or a Hyperframe for that matter?*

If you shoot 1000 shots in a row it might stop firing. *Are you referring to Full-Auto? I thought this was no frills? I don't think the Hyper does full-auto.*

If you let it get hot in your trunk it might not shoot at all. *The e-mag doesn't have that kind of problem? Mechanical mode being the exception of course.*

No trigger adjustments possible, what you see is what you get. *Would like to see trigger adjustment, as people have a preference for the kind of pull they need.*

No manual overide
*No need for manual mode, as previous posts suggested*

Cost more than a hyperframe
*If it performs better/more reliably than the Hyperframe, then its worth it*

battery might be mounted outside the grip in a box somewhere.
*Inside the frame would be best. Since alot of features are taken out, wouldn't that make the PCB smaller or give more room to have the battery mounted in the grip?*

You would want this to put off jersies, gear bags, patchs, stickers etc.
*Yep, put them off. Performance over looks....isn't that what AGD is about? I'd rather spend the money on something that will do something rather than just look good.*

[apache]

It sure is true when AGD said a while back that they are good with technology, not so good with marketing... An economy e-grip would take away customers from EMag. Don't make overlapping products if you can't afford it.

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[MAGgot Man]

Would you be willing to deal with the folllowing issues?

1)Changing the battery every 3-5000 shots.
*I dont see any real problem with this.

2)If you shoot 1000 shots in a row it might stop firing.
*Here is where I am in the minority. This is exactly why I think the manual override is NECCASSARY.

3)If you let it get hot in your trunk it might not shoot at all.
*Again Manual overide the life saver here.

4)No trigger adjustments possible, what you see is what you get.
*Need I say it again? manual overide would allow you to adjust it for manual mode.

5)No manual overide.
*not having this would bother me a lot. This is what has kept me from buying one to this point. TRUST me guys/gals, if it is strictly electronicly driven it WILL fail sooner or later and you will be stuck with a better constructed angel with shot electronics. Basically useless.

6)Cost more than a hyperframe
*As I stated in my earlier posts I would pay a little more for the manual override and full auto.

7)Battery might be mounted outside the grip in a box somewhere.
*Battery relocation is a simple matter. If a battery is to be included at all.

8)You would want this to put off jersies, gear bags, patchs, stickers etc.
*Im in no great rush for the electro grip. I'd rather see AGD take their time and do something right(as they always have in the past) rather than rush things and maybe run into problems later on.

Though my opinions are in the minority I feel that they ARE valid. Im sure that there are others who feel the same way I do. So though all these tourney players see no point to manual overide and full auto capabilites, Im sure that contingency minded folks like myself would agree with my posts to this point.




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[Gunga]

Would you be willing to deal with the folllowing issues?

*Changing the battery every 3-5000 shots.
If you shoot 1000 shots in a row it might stop firing.

This isn't a concern. Carrying an extra 9v battery or two is hardly a chore.


*If you let it get hot in your trunk it might not shoot at all.

No biggie. We'll still have the original stock grip frame.


*No trigger adjustments possible, what you see is what you get.

I'd like to have this, but if it can't be included in order to keep the price below the $550 eMag conversion, we can do without.


*No manual overide

Don't play on playing in the rain or without extra batteries, so not a concern.

*Cost more than a hyperframe

I'd rather have a _quality_ eGrip and would be willing to pay a premium for it.


*Battery might be mounted outside the grip in a box somewhere.

Like the eMag's current battery? No problem. Though, and this is asking a bit much perhaps, if you used the same battery as the eMag's, it'd be cool if you could power a revvy & warp feed off of it. Perhaps make an eMag battery pack an extra cost option?


*You would want this to put off jersies, gear bags, patchs, stickers etc.

Don't really care about this stuff. Sure, it'd be nice, but I'm more interested in the hardware side of things. Can't shoot someone 'dead' with an AGD patch.

As for Apache's concerns about taking sales away from the eMag...it may take away a few sales, but I'm assuming the economy eGrip would be produced in different versions for the various guns. So the sales of the eGrip would more than compensate for any loss in eMag sales.

Hmmm...it'd be weird to see an AGD eGrip on a Cocker.

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[ReTroMagBoy]

see guys....i think those requirements were supposed to be a little sarcastic...in other words "its not worth it to you or me"....atleast thats what i interpretted. I would just let it go and go with a hyperframe if you want one that bad...

[keebler]

well it seems to me that agd isn't going to make this. so i guess my money is going to centerflag for the hyperframe.

the thing that bothers me about those things is the batteries not in the frame, but in a box. that would be just not good looking. oh well.

[keebler]

wait a second, agd, why dont you just take the regular e mag frame, take out all of the firing modes and excess stuff in the frame you dont need, then you will have room for batteries inside, then you can just sell the frame to bolt on. sounds good to me.

[redrider87]

My idea of a budget frame would be a stripped emag frame. Take out everything but semi and keep the magnet trigger. I love the feel of that baby. Keep the emag battary as an option and I think it would be great.

[Micromag5371]

first of all, you people have to base yourselves in reality. Remember you are not gonna be shooting a shocker, you have a mag and "ECONO" is the keyword.

i would like to see a very comfortable grip, .45 style.
no led or lcd, only raises costs
an econo(semi only) and a pro(other firing modes)
tourney lockouts, for safe operations.
no sear, bolt or pin wear like other grips
econo-$235 to $275 pro-$280 to $315
a nice smooth trigger, microswitch or magnetic hall effect
all this with the quality of all AGD products

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[pyro45]

Here is all I want.

Semi-only 45 frame. no shot cap.

2 little lights. 1 green one just to say its on. 1 red one to say low battery(or just have the green one fade)

Comes with no grip but takes stickies

Battery inside the frame that takes only 9vts. 3-5k shots is fine

on/off button.

the button and 1 or 2 lights around above the grip so they dont need cut

AGD reliability and quality.

Just fits on most any mag

I would be willing to pay $200 tops for it.

[BOOT]

I don't mean to be a downer here but....

I would love to see an economy E-grip, but I think that AGD will not be able to make a frame with the known and trusted AGD quality, that will be able to compete with "made in Taiwan" frame.

One of the big things is that a 9 volt battery in the grip would be nice, only problem is that it wouldn't work. Most of the room in the grip is taken up by the solenoid not the circuit board. That solenoid is used for a reason, for it's throw, voltage, efficiency and QUALITY. It would take AGD a little while to try to match what we expect form an AGD product in an economy product. Even with the removal of the display and the firing modes, I doubt the circuit board would be much smaller or cheaper for that matter.

I think that we can ALL agree that we LOVE the E-mag for exactly what it is. I think that getting that caliber of performance for cheaper would be nice, but may not be possible =(

I know I will be saving my pennies here and there, in hopes that a full blown E-mag is in my future.

Just my 2 cents...