How about an "economy" e-grip from AGD?

[Chaos]

This sounds good, lets see if I can get a list going

-Economy Electro Grip, priced around $250-300 retail.
-Needs to be bolt-on, no sending into AGD (or do you guys not mind sending it in?)
-Small LCD screen would be nice but not needed
-Take Dye/Angel LCD Stickies
-Doesn't need all the pretty features, semi only is fine (I'd like a burst personally..)
-Tourniment Legal
-Doesn't need the mechanical/electro switch
-Retro/A.I.R. Valve Compatability (both)

Feel free to edit that list, just want to get something we all understand, and take the main points of what we want in this grip (if it does become available)

So...., whats the word? Tom?

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[rifleman]

You know, having this much traffic is kinda a plus, because I posted like 10 min ago and I come back to find like 3 more replys

Just gonna add on to Choas's list:
-Economy Electro Grip, priced around $250-300 retail. **Sounds good to me**
-Needs to be bolt-on, no sending into AGD (or do you guys not mind sending it in?)**I like having it bolt-on, because the average joe can just slap one on**
-Small LCD screen would be nice but not needed **Sure, maybe a shot counter with a game counter**
-Take Dye/Angel LCD Stickies **Sounds good**
-Doesn't need all the pretty features, semi only is fine (I'd like a burst personally..)**Not at all, semi is just fine**
-Tourniment Legal **Definatly**
-Doesn't need the mechanical/electro switch **Good point, that'll reduce cost**
-Retro/A.I.R. Valve Compatability (both) **Yep, yep**

~Warp plug-in
~Double trigger
~BPS adjustment
~Car charger/wall charger comes with grip
~Maybe a revy hook-up too--with every trigger pull, warp and revy both turn on
~Doesn't have to have the magnet trigger if that adds to the cost, a spring trigger will be just fine

All I can think of right now,
Adam

[a person]

if this would happen, what would happen to the emag? it may not have all the features, but most people would get the economy grip.

But back to the topic:
-$250 to $300 sounds resonable or lower?
-No LCD.it will lower the price
-Just semi, hardly anybody uses the burst modes
-like the people before said, no mech./electro. switch
-since there will be no burst modes it is pretty much tournament legal, except safety which is standard
-x2 finger trigger
-rechargable battery! it will save money in the long run with car adapter and wall adapter

We got to remember its got to be economical, not the emag. the only "fancy" feature i would like is a rechargable battery with car and wall charger, i hate changing $4-$5 batterys which everyone would probably agree.

[Richy_C]

So i says

Straight up semi
Memory free battires
noLCD, maybe an LED but really, i could care less
Standard .45 frame set, make it more universal
Let it fit any mag
MECHANICAL SAFTY!!!!!! dunno, but i feel strong about that
Quality before price

[User]

-Small LCD screen would be nice but not needed

This comes into conflict with one of the Angel's downsides. Supposedly the readouts on the LCD screens have to be "burned" into them instead of just stored and generated from memory like the LED's on the E-Mag. Thus, the E-Mag's LED, while primitive-looking, serves a more useful function as it is able to be updated without replacing or creating a new component for every upgrade, which is why AGD went with the LED instead of an LCD like the Angel...or at least that's what I heard a while ago.

But besides all that, the EC-Grip seems like a nice addition to AGD's product line.

[This message has been edited by User (edited 07-15-2001).]

[rictus]

I know that so far its only thr NPPL, but I wouldn't doubt that other circuits will follow suit. Starting next year any gun with burst, auto, turbo EVEN if it can be locked out are not allowed! So a burst mode with a lock is still illegal in the NPPL. I know most of us don't need to worry about that, but something to consider.

[MicroB]

I would be interested, if it was tourney legal. I too don't care for bursts or full auto, not necessary if trigger pull is light enough. If parts were cut down to limit these functions I would be VERY INTERESTED IN A Z-GRIP version. I would be willing to pay $200-$300. It would also be nice if it fit all mags RT, MAG, and Modular body.

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2001 Micromag RT w/68-4500, Z-grip and Lapco big Shot.

[MAGgot Man]

-As for cost I'd only say...make it competitively priced
-No LCD.it will lower the price(a couple of LEDs would be just fine)
-semi and maybe Autoresponse OR Full Auto(for the scenario players)
-I WOULD like to see mech./electro. switch(To me thats what sets the Emag a step above the rest...versatility is the name of the game. Murphys law would apply here "What can go wron WILL go wrong." I would pay extra for that.)
-x2 finger trigger
-rechargeable battery! it will save money in the long run with car adapter and wall adapter
-and an intellifeed port(again I personally would pay extra for that)


[This message has been edited by MAGgot Man (edited 07-15-2001).]

[Chaos]

OK to update the list: (can we get some AGD advice here, on if this is even a consideration?)

-Economy Electro Grip, priced around $250-300 retail. (competitively)
-Needs to be bolt-on, no sending into AGD
-Small LED screen would be nice but not needed
-Take Dye/Angel LCD Stickies
-Doesn't need all the pretty features, semi only is fine
-Tourniment Legal
-Doesn't need the mechanical/electro switch
-Retro/A.I.R. Valve Compatability (both)
-Warp plug-in
-Double trigger (personally I'd like something like the boo-yah frame, I prefer single trigger but I know most prefer double)
-BPS adjustment
-Car charger/wall charger comes with grip
-Magnetic or Spring trigger (doesnt matter, whichever is cheaper)
-Rechargable Battery

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[This message has been edited by Chaos (edited 07-16-2001).]

[st6212]

Originally posted by Chaos:
OK to update the list: (can we get some AGD advice here, on if this is even a consideration?)

-Economy Electro Grip, priced around $250-300 retail. (competitively)
-Needs to be bolt-on, no sending into AGD
-Small LED screen would be nice but not needed
-Take Dye/Angel LCD Stickies
-Doesn't need all the pretty features, semi only is fine
-Tourniment Legal
-Doesn't need the mechanical/electro switch
-Retro/A.I.R. Valve Compatability (both)
-Warp plug-in
-Double trigger (personally I'd like something like the boo-yah frame, I prefer single trigger but I know most prefer double)
-BPS adjustment
-Car charger/wall charger comes with grip
-Magnetic or Spring trigger (doesnt matter, whichever is cheaper)
-Rechargable Battery

Remember, we're not expecting it to be fully featured like the E-mag grip frame.

If it will cut costs down I'd say remove the rechargeable battery and wall charger. If you want rechargeable, those from Plainview would be the go. But hey if they can do the the wall charger thing, cool.

Another thing, the LCD stickies. May want to consider having the LCD/LED readout on the back of the trigger-frame that way, we aren't forced to buying one type of grip to fit the frame. That'll allow some people to use wood grips if they want or grip panels or custom grips or....you get the idea.

Actually, you could remove the readout all-together. And use audible tones to indicate a change in mode or whatever. Personally straight semi is all I need.....one pull, one shot.


[This message has been edited by st6212 (edited 07-16-2001).]

[Discostu]

Definitely KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). Forget the bells and whistles. Make it semi-auto, tourny legal adaptable on all automag frames. I would like to see single, double or ring trigger option.

[booyah]

my suggestions twords and electro mag frame.

1. the main problem with the booyahs and the hyperframes are the soleniod not having a far enough throw to complete the cycle. so give it a long throw even if it takes a longer time to cycle it.

2. use the newly developed 2x trigger frame to save costs

3. use a micro switch instead of the magnets for cost (unless the magnets are cheaper)

4. no lcd/led display, nobody really uses anyways...

5. SEMI ONLY!!!! please!!!!

all i see it needs is, a long throw soloniod, a 9v battery, (or whatever works best)a microswitch, and thats really it, dont bother with a real board, all you need to do is complete the circut to throw the soloniod and it will fire. that should be pretty cheap if you can work it out.


AFTERTHOUGHT!!!!!
hows this, borrow from the design of others!!! run a micro reg (aka micro rock or something) off of the main air input to a solonoid valve and a plunger to trip the sear, aka tippmann electro trigger. that way you can use a smaller battery, and a lowerpower soloniod. may be something to lookin to.

[a person]

that afterthought thing, i wouldnt like to have it just seems like it will have problems, plus i saw one i dont like the looks of it personally.

Update on the simple grip

-semi auto
-tournament legal
-use the new AGD 45. gripframes to save on costs
-no LED or LCD
-Bolt on, compatible both with retro or classic
-no mechanical/electronic switch
-magnets or springs which ever is cheaper
-x2 trigger
-9v battery
-good quality
-say $250- $300 price range or cheaper

added feature but i would like to see
-Rechargable battery, memory free, with car and wall adapter( i stress again it will save money in the long run)

Plainview batteries? never heard of them. what are they? rechargable? where can i get them?

oh yeah i think the next year's angels will have a temperature read out plus humidity, dew point, heat index, email, cell phone, keyboard, pentium 4, dsl, with 2 years of msn absolutely FREE! all for the low price of $2999!

[lonsch]

you cant make the solenoid smaller it has to be close to the same size as the emag noid.
it should have the battery pack of the emag with a simaler firing mechanism as the hyper frame. so it can be a drop in. the reason the hyper frame has all the problems is because of the small noid and low voltage.

[rifleman]

Guys, on the modes and such, thats nothing but code, it may add 10 cents to the actual cost.

It looks like the tone of this thread is leaning towards just a good quality simple grip that is electric and actually works.

What's AGD's opinion on this?