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quie throwing you toys out of the pram and ignore the idiots... I know you have them on that side of the pond to, I've had the misfortune of meeting a few...Originally posted by andy@fatbobsI would just like to say thank you very much for the warm welcome that you have shown me on Automags.org.
Had I known it was a pissing competition then perhaps I would have posted links to my cridentials such as
and then invited the halfwits who have posted to share their paintball cridentials.
As it happens I have just removed the link from automagsuk.com to this forum as I will not subject any of our customers to the abuse that I have received on here. Instead we have set up an Automags section within our own forum where we can filter out the idiots.
As I understood it, Automags.org was the best forum in the US, now I know it is no better than PB Nation.
I believe that the Automag is the best marker in the world, which is why we have started to import them into the UK, Fatbobs will continue to sell them in the best way that we see fit and in the way that has brought Fatbobspaintball.co.uk to become the UK's largest online paintball shop and to maximise sales in the UK.
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Originally posted by andy@fatbobsI would just like to say thank you very much for the warm welcome that you have shown me on Automags.org.
Had I known it was a pissing competition then perhaps I would have posted links to my cridentials such as
and then invited the halfwits who have posted to share their paintball cridentials.
As it happens I have just removed the link from automagsuk.com to this forum as I will not subject any of our customers to the abuse that I have received on here. Instead we have set up an Automags section within our own forum where we can filter out the idiots.
As I understood it, Automags.org was the best forum in the US, now I know it is no better than PB Nation.
I believe that the Automag is the best marker in the world, which is why we have started to import them into the UK, Fatbobs will continue to sell them in the best way that we see fit and in the way that has brought Fatbobspaintball.co.uk to become the UK's largest online paintball shop and to maximise sales in the UK.
We will no longer participate on Automags.org
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To the best of my knowledge mate the main advantage of the Euromag over a standard RT Pro is the ULE body and rail, Ultra Lite Trigger pull and it includes a barrel ( I don't know if the RT does include a barrel or not).
Basically it is an upped mag, the reason it is not called a "Pimped RT" or whatever you think it should be called is because Fat Bob's asked AGD to make them a Mag to their specification to head up their new venture into the world of AGD. As it marked the return of the Mag to a European store and it is the store's flagship Mag I guess it makes sense to call it the Euromag, afterall it does sound more impressive than "Pimped RT".
Raven001, that was a good question and a very well thought out post that explained why he got abused, I bow to your wit and eliquence.
The next question I sense coming is "Why not an E-Mag?". To this I can only assume that Fat Bob's has identified that a mech with near electro performance is something of an oddity that will (and judging by sales it has) attract the customer purely for novelty.
Much love,
NioxComment
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Oh I'm so sorry we called you out on doing exactly the opposite of what Tom Kaye and the automag stands for. Now maybe it may seem to some people like we are having a pissing competition, but I for one really care about the automag and the house that Tom built.
It's not about hype. It's not about rearranging the parts and calling it an '07 Euromag. That's what the other companies do. I will not stand here and listen to you spout out drivel about how you are saving the automag. You're not. You're destroying the very basic values that AGD was built on. Honesty, integrity, quality, etc. You're not being true to the automag or AGD. You're just trying to snake some kids into buying a product. And while making money is part of any business, there is more to AGD. You are tainting that.
So call me whatever you want and call this forum whatever you want. But don't you dare tell us that all we are is a giant pissing contest. We actually care. We are honest here, we call it like it is. It may seem like we argue a lot, but that's because we get heated about this stuff. We care about AGD, we care about new players, we care about the automag. And you obviously don't. So I'm glad you won't associate this site with your business.
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I don't have an issue with the name - you have to name the collection of parts something.
But to state it has better accuracy and range than comparable electros? If we are getting into the hype of accuracy and range at least use a closed bolt marker..."Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr SuessComment
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The name? It's called an RT ULE. Rogue can call his the Paradigm and whatnot because he puts his own custom parts on them. This guy is just repackaging stock parts from AGD. Call it what AGD calls it. Otherwise he's just as bad as the companies that hes "saving" AGD from.Originally posted by Lohman446Comment
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Is he bringing more people to AGD and a quality marker? Yes
Is he seling AGD Markers at a respectable rate? Yes, or so he claims.
Is he selling AGD markers in c ountry where they have nearly fallen off of the planet? Yes
Have any of you done this (the ones chewing him out?) NO, until then be quiet or offer only constructive criticism not outright attacks.
Rock and and bring back the Mags to your scenario/woodball groups. Looks like you are offering them at a reasonable prices too, which is even better.
Let not all be the tools alot of us have become, and be a little more welcoming to our friends across the pond.Comment
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Reasonable prices? Do you know what those translate to in American dollars? That's almost $450 for a Pro Classic! Yea, he really cares about bringing the mag back. If he did he'd be doing it with the same values that AGD employs. Instead he's turning automags into Ions.Comment
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Originally posted by andy@fatbobsI would just like to say thank you very much for the warm welcome that you have shown me on Automags.org.
Had I known it was a pissing competition then perhaps I would have posted links to my cridentials such as
and then invited the halfwits who have posted to share their paintball cridentials.
As it happens I have just removed the link from automagsuk.com to this forum as I will not subject any of our customers to the abuse that I have received on here. Instead we have set up an Automags section within our own forum where we can filter out the idiots.
As I understood it, Automags.org was the best forum in the US, now I know it is no better than PB Nation.
I believe that the Automag is the best marker in the world, which is why we have started to import them into the UK, Fatbobs will continue to sell them in the best way that we see fit and in the way that has brought Fatbobspaintball.co.uk to become the UK's largest online paintball shop and to maximise sales in the UK.
We will no longer participate on Automags.org
So long as you, or your forum members don't come on spouting unbackable claims, there will be no reason to cry.
You must understand. Every few days some new forum member comes on and posts all the same crap. Oh mags are this and that, blah, blah... WE as a community don't wish to have our forums cluttered with a bunch of BS. Claiming that a mag is more accurate or shoots farther, look how fast it is with an illegal setup, etc. isn't helping us OR you. Now on the other hand if you wanted to say something like, one of the toughest markers on the planet...or wash it in a bucket of water...or some of the best customer service on the planet...you would have been recieved MUCH better.
All the luck with your new endeavor. Don't expect your brits not to see through the veil either buddy.Comment
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Yeah I know turning Automags into popular markers used by players at almost every level, what a daft idea...Originally posted by warbeak2099
Also take into account shipping, taxes and customs. There is a reason we are called Rip-Off Britain and he can't help it. Also that $450 dollars for a Pro Classic is extreme to you but when you take a comparitive look accross the whole board of markers UK prices are generally higher. I can't comment on how much profit he makes from it all as I don't have anything to do with the store at all, I have only spoken to him over the internet for brief periods of time.
Some good points there bud and I'd say I agree with 87-95% of that. However I believe there is a thin line between saying it how it is and being needlessly hostile in the way you tell it like it is. As I've said before (I think, my memory is runnish) just being not nice to him and saying fine we don't want you in our family is not a very good way to put your argument accross, if anything it just gets people backs up and make them stubborn.Originally posted by warbeak2099
For GCSE English all those years ago I was taught to P.E.E, Point Evidence & Explain (yes that was from the same government as the 3 R's - Reading, Writing & Arithmatic). If you can be gentle in your criticisms but back them up with reliable evidence and a good explanation you will probably not only win the argument but actually make the looser learn something (all Carrot and Stick I suppose).
You can't say he doesn't care about the Automag, he has been playing paintball for 18 years, for 10 of those years he has used Mags, he didn't decide to become an AGD dealer to make a quick buck, he became a dealer because he loves Automags and wanted them back in the UK.
On a seperate note I showed that video to 2 seperate typical newbies to paintball in Britain.
Kid 'S' was shown the video with an explanation on what was going on and why it was illegal.
Kid 'M' was shown the video with no extra info.
Kid 'S' - "*Expletive* thats fast, shame it's illegal though but I'd still get one.
Kid 'M' - "Is that on ramping? Isn't that illegal at tournies?"
Now this is by no means a representitive study, or a scientific one for that but most people can see through this sort of hype.
I might tell him some suggestions on a more AGD ethically sound adverts for the Mags. The response on here is sort of expected, we all get passionate about anything we love and AGD has a special place in many hearts (mine included) as a caring and ethical company. Andy's means are questionable but the end is worth it. Lots of people on Fat Bob's forum are saying how pleased they are with their new Euromags.
Much love,
Niox
EDIT: Damn I'm a slow typer.Comment
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God....I guess I was probably returning videotapes.Comment
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Oh man a cat on beer. I... I just can't compete with that.Originally posted by SCpoloRicker
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I suppose you're right. I meant what I said, but the way I came across was a little hostile. It just gets me pissed when people start this hype crap. "Gun X shoots faster because we put a new body kit on it." "This gun is more accurate than anything else and it shoots farther". "Hey let's rearrange the factory parts on this gun and call it something different so noobs will buy it".
That stuff is what the other guys do. AGD has never done that and that's what makes them great. They build quality and they sell it with integrity. We just don't want someone tainting that.Comment
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Oh my god I have been dealing with numpteys for far too long!Originally posted by warbeak2099
I came on here fully expecting you to have ripped me to shreds but that was very mature of you. I know what your feeling on the integrity side of things and it does kind'a suck that in this day and age people still have to mislead about products to make them sell.
I for one am glad that AGD still has people like you who get steamed up about this and tries to stamp it out for the good of AGD and it's legacy. Most people will only defend gun X because they happen to be shooting its, next month when they have gun Y they wont be so bothered and no matter how hard companies try they cannot buy hearts, minds and loyalty.
Much love,
Niox, but you can call me Sam.Comment
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