2008 Automag . . .

[zeroex]

I agree with shadownife, make the ULE set-up standard. Sure, stainless steel is spiffy and rugged, but its still stainless steel.

Duel detents, never a bad thing

Break beam eyes, eh...i'm fine with either a lvl 10 or BB

I don't know, but my opinion is that mags should be different from the other guns, it gives the mag it's unique feel and look. If it goes elec, i'd much prefer it be an electro-pneumatic.

A vert feed would be much welcome; so much easier to use than a 45 feed neck (unless you're using a warp)

I'm not that big on having the hose either outside or in; its not that big of a deal to me. but having it on the outside does make it a little easier to maintain, as all one would need is to swap hoses rather than take apart the gun. so just a little easier.

Hum...so yea. overview on what i'd like to see on a 2008 mag
Full ULE setup
Duel detents
A/C threads
Vert feed and clamp
BB or lvl 10, doesnt matter
Pneu or E-Pneu
Internal/external air hoses, not that big of a deal
HPA

so yea. pretty much it. keep with the old feel with a few new tricks, cause come on. its a mag. not your standard SP gun =P

[Ninjeff]

The problem there Shadownife is that with everything you described you just have ANOTHER standard electro marker. Same stuff as everything else. Nothing new. So why WOULD anyone buy it? It doesnt haven anything interesting to offer. Just a electro gun with eyes. Thats it.

[going_home]

Bye Bye Twist locks

Its all conjecture right now but if new mags come out next year I say lets say bye bye to the antiquated twist lock barrel system/barrel/bodies and go with all aluminum bodies
and cocker threaded barrels.

[RRfireblade]

Hmm . . .

Pretty good responses , right inline with what I had in mind.

Keep in mind that in "Automag" quantities and qualities , we'd have to retail at no less than $499 min I'd gander . . . maybe even $599. That's a tough market to be in.

[Dark Side]

Hmm . . .

Pretty good responses , right inline with what I had in mind.

Keep in mind that in "Automag" quantities and qualities , we'd have to retail at no less than $499 min I'd gander . . . maybe even $599. That's a tough market to be in.

For a brand new redesiged Mag, I feel you'd have a good number of people here buy one, myself included even at those prices.

[robnix]

For a brand new redesiged Mag, I feel you'd have a good number of people here buy one, myself included even at those prices.

More than anything, I'm hoping that the modularity that we have in current mags will be part of the design philosophy.

[ProblemKinder]

by the time you actually had these on the market, i might actually be able to afford one

i guess i would really love to see an all mech gun. i always tease my friends for having to use electros cuz they can't shoot fast enough on their own, I would LOVE to break out my new '08 pneumag and watch their jaws drop when they think i finally went electro, and watch their jaws drop just a little further when i explain to them it's still all mech.

if it's 100% mech, and i can put an X-valve and level 10 in it i'll most likely buy it.

also a new body would be nice.

speaking of which...if you know anyone who will mill my slug body....

umm...ooh i'm also a huge fan of the Y-grip, and if you could make that an optional feature that would be awesome. i would love a Ygrip pneumag.

I think you'd probably want to find a way to have all the gas flow be internal. i don't mind the macroline personally but i think alot of the non-mag community (assuming you plan on marketing to them) would prefer not to have it.

also warps are ugly. just my ooh so humble opinion

[madcrisis]

it would be really cool it it could go from electro, pneumatic, then standard. i dont know of thats possible or y its necessary but its the best of every world and cater to everybody

[ProblemKinder]

it would be really cool it it could go from electro, pneumatic, then standard. i dont know of thats possible or y its necessary but its the best of every world and cater to everybody

i'm not sure where you would fit all the pneumatic parts, and all the electro parts, not to mention exactly how to switch from one to another. i agree it would be pretty sweet tho.

[ShadowNife]

The problem there Shadownife is that with everything you described you just have ANOTHER standard electro marker. Same stuff as everything else. Nothing new. So why WOULD anyone buy it? It doesnt haven anything interesting to offer. Just a electro gun with eyes. Thats it.

Well I sat around for a bit and considered your question and pondered why anyone bought a certain marker over another in the current market. Like I said in the previous post, from what I can collect at the local fields and on forums is that people aren't buying mags because it doesn't include some basics that people have come to expect in a "up to date e-marker". It's like cars that only come in manual; sure they're a lot of fun and I personally would drive one, but the general public doesn't see the excitement and would rather opt for the more convenient automatic transmission. That's the case with mags and BB eyes; people have come to expect it and when it's not present, people are turned away from it, regardless of how nice a marker it may be. I suppose you're right in that I proposed making it like "ANOTHER standard electro marker". I don't think there's fundementally anything we can improve and make it revolutionary if we're designing around the standard X-valve (please at least make the X-valve standard =P).

technically speaking, why DOES anyone buy one marker over another? The main reason comes down to preference of style, weight distribution, company name, etc. To say that Egos are supremely better than Marq 7s and such is a rather big claim. People just prefer one marker over another or a company over another, assuming that they are at the same "level". Right now people view mags as outdated because it doesn't have the basics of today's markers, so if we just "update it" so to speak, i think it'd do well. A lot of people used to play with Mags back in their prime and have since turned away to keep up with "innovations". I get the feeling they would come back if we prove that Mags are not the "heavy, outdated, eye-less, chopping machines" that they've come to be seen as. Of course, the regular Mag crowd would also buy it, myself included (even if I'm currently selling my karta e-mag, i still love mags i swear )

I suppose each marker has their own little quirks that draw a slightly different crowd, and as Mags we can offer quality and a crazy simple single tube design. I don't see what's wrong with making "another electro with eyes" with a Mag flavor :)

[pierce]

I'm going to keep it simple. 1- make lighter rails and bodies of different designs. 2-Get these product and your existing ones (complete guns also) to other vendors so you can sell more products. 3- Make a sweet, light pump kit (i'd buy one even if i just used it once a year. 4- Make a complete ULE pump (this class is coming back make the others look with envy). My oppinion on the electro market, most changes are small but they make them sound so big and fantastic. Keep it simple and sweet just like the Mags already are. My 2 cents!

[cyrus-the-virus]

I still say that we use my idea for a mag. (well I guess it's not my idea but still) I'm willing to bet if you give the mag BB eye's, single 9volt operation, and keep the weight around 2 lb's people will buy it.

Hell most people view e-mags as "low end" electores because of the sear and lack of eye's....

I don't know where people are getting that the mag is heavy.. maybe if your using a classic valve and older bodies yeah, but my mag sit's at right around 2lb's which is about avrage.

BTW Price isen't an issue because if people are willing to fork over $1900 for an ego that is slightly lighter than the normal one... Well I'm sure someone would fork over 600-800 for the 08 e-mag

[Ninjeff]

Well I sat around for a bit and considered your question and pondered why anyone bought a certain marker over another in the current market. Like I said in the previous post, from what I can collect at the local fields and on forums is that people aren't buying mags because it doesn't include some basics that people have come to expect in a "up to date e-marker". It's like cars that only come in manual; sure they're a lot of fun and I personally would drive one, but the general public doesn't see the excitement and would rather opt for the more convenient automatic transmission. That's the case with mags and BB eyes; people have come to expect it and when it's not present, people are turned away from it, regardless of how nice a marker it may be. I suppose you're right in that I proposed making it like "ANOTHER standard electro marker". I don't think there's fundementally anything we can improve and make it revolutionary if we're designing around the standard X-valve (please at least make the X-valve standard =P).

technically speaking, why DOES anyone buy one marker over another? The main reason comes down to preference of style, weight distribution, company name, etc. To say that Egos are supremely better than Marq 7s and such is a rather big claim. People just prefer one marker over another or a company over another, assuming that they are at the same "level". Right now people view mags as outdated because it doesn't have the basics of today's markers, so if we just "update it" so to speak, i think it'd do well. A lot of people used to play with Mags back in their prime and have since turned away to keep up with "innovations". I get the feeling they would come back if we prove that Mags are not the "heavy, outdated, eye-less, chopping machines" that they've come to be seen as. Of course, the regular Mag crowd would also buy it, myself included (even if I'm currently selling my karta e-mag, i still love mags i swear )

I suppose each marker has their own little quirks that draw a slightly different crowd, and as Mags we can offer quality and a crazy simple single tube design. I don't see what's wrong with making "another electro with eyes" with a Mag flavor :)

hmm... Indeed. I see what your saying now. And good points all around. I suppose i was just hoping for something that strays away from everything else i can buy.
Thats why i would like a pnuemag with a 90* frame standard. Its unlike anything else i can buy, yet will still rock the world of the opposing players. Its something i would expect from AGD ingenuity and quality.

Still, you have good points all around. I (semi ) retract my previous statement.


ANd for teh record, i have yet to have anyone think of my Emag as low end. If anything else they look at it like an old GTO or vette. Classic, and maybe not as fast as new things, but a damn fine piece of machinery none-the-less.

[Tao]

Hmm . . .

Pretty good responses , right inline with what I had in mind.

Keep in mind that in "Automag" quantities and qualities , we'd have to retail at no less than $499 min I'd gander . . . maybe even $599. That's a tough market to be in.

That would almost require stipping down the valves if an x valve retails for $275. Can you really sell mainbody, board, solenoid, eyes, gripframe, milling and anodizing for an extra 200-300 more and maintain quality? If so wouldn't AGD have made their emags much cheaper a while ago?
Since they didn't it could be concluded that either:
A) an emag is below cost in the $500 or so price range
B) an emag would still turn a profit in that range, but overall AGD makes more gross profit selling at their current price (supply and demand) and this whole idea for a new gun to compete in the mainstream market may not work very well.

Since today's mainstream is looking for light wieght, shoots fast (easy to meet), and looks good; I would focus on attaining these features rather than price, especially since some players throw so much money away buying new guns anyway.

Sooooooooo
The problem is we would either need an x-mag with break beam eyes, that could be manufactured quickly and cost less to produce than the x-mag did in it's day. Or we need a Mini (small, light weight, good performance).
As we all know the Mini is everything the MAINSTREAM wants a mag to be. All WE could do is make the same gun, but put in an X valve and Y grip which would get crushed by the Mini since ours would be bigger, heavier and cost more, and no one in the mainstream would really care about the extra performance of the x valve at the sacrifice of weight and price.

Now all we are left with as an option to produce is an X-mag which has been gone over manytimes in this forum as to why it isn't in production anymore.

Basically the X valve is the death of the mag since it is too heavy for the likes of the mainstream (an X-mag is as light as it can be, but with this valve it is way heavier than most guns today).

So where does that leave us? Well it is difficult to market to the mainstream so all we can really do is make sluggo bodies, have people make their own AGG bodies and hopefully distribute these "AGG Mags" through a larger distributor. Basically devilmags are what is needed, but assembled on a large scale, not one person doing custom orders.

Other than that we would need to think up some new features to add. Something out there and I don't have any ideas, but it would have to be as out there as the "ports for air accessories" that the Classic RT had...

[cyrus-the-virus]

lol I get ignoored on the internetz just like in real life....