2008 Automag . . .

[t0nnn]

I like the idea that madhog has: electric, mech, hybrid ....personally i'd rather have a bettery intigrated in the grip frame, not in the foregrip. Giving the option of those 3 would be a good idea IMO. Also have the option of eyes with the electric version.

[geekwarrior]

we better not be discussing this without good reason.

[RRfireblade]

Well all know that only AGD could possibly pull this off. Didn't you see the big fiasco with the non AGD slug body?

Well we can hope for the best right ?


One thing I never understood of some Airgunites , is why they don't just allow the aftermarket to warranty their own parts ? I mean , even Proteam will still warranty all their Mag product for LIFE regardless of original owner and they haven't made any in like 5 years. As hard as it may be to believe , a strong aftermarket is critical for the long life of a product. Look at the Autococker. Stock marker more or less sucked out of the box but the aftermarket made it the biggest selling 'High end" mechanical marker of all time. When you kill the aftermarket you shoot yourself in the foot.

Anyway . . .

The assumed plan is to have consent from AGD so who knows.

[RRfireblade]

we better not be discussing this without good reason.

Don't know for sure. Right now I'm going to say it's purely specualation by someone who claims to have the means and will. I'm to understand that he had an encouraging word with Tom but no more than that yet. (Needs to get back with him still)

I was asked to see what it would take to give it a go so along with that I'd like to give AO a full shot at getting what their input heard.

That's all I know right now.

[Lohman446]

Dual detents

Break beam eyes

Firing modes (or readily available boards)

[Dark Side]

Well we can hope for the best right ?


One thing I never understood of some Airgunites , is why they don't just allow the aftermarket to warranty their own parts ? I mean , even Proteam will still warranty all their Mag product for LIFE regardless of original owner and they haven't made any in like 5 years. As hard as it may be to believe , a strong aftermarket is critical for the long life of a product. Look at the Autococker. Stock marker more or less sucked out of the box but the aftermarket made it the biggest selling 'High end" mechanical marker of all time. When you kill the aftermarket you shoot yourself in the foot.

Anyway . . .

The assumed plan is to have consent from AGD so who knows.

What is stopping a specific dealer, whether it be Tuna, Rogue, Luke, Logic, or whomever to give a warranty on their parts? Is there a clause in AGD's legal department stating it can't happen?

I'm all for a brand new mag especialy if several dealers can come togeather to put it out.

[Warwitch]

Make the lower part of the grip frame on a lockable hinge so the grip angle can be adjusted from Z-style to a 45.

Now that I would like to see

[RRfireblade]

What is stopping a specific dealer, whether it be Tuna, Rogue, Luke, Logic, or whomever to give a warranty on their parts? Is there a clause in AGD's legal department stating it can't happen?

There isn't.

But every time an aftermarket product get's trashed , it's because of AGD warranty and/or reflection on AGD. Reasonable people would have no problem with an explanation of the cause of a problem. Unreasonable people are going to be a pain in the butt no matter what so it doesn't matter who'd fault it is. You can't protect yourself from everything , everywhere , not is a business primarily funded by kids.

There are those that would have you believe that not one single aftermart Mag part has ever worked or had a worthy purpose.

But I don't want to get into a whole discussion about that here. It's WAY to early for that.

Let's keep it on the subject line.

[latches109]

pneumagger, A problem I see [as you've drawn it] with your bolt is, the surface area in the rear of the bolt were the LP is applied needs to be significantly greater (or pressure) than the summed surface areas in the HP area; because you will have some compression during the firing sequence. The need to pressurize the bolt in order to fire would add a delay to the firing sequence. Neat idea. Also Dye pretty much has patent lock down on tailed bolts.


2008 - make the bolt on hAir or an electric-version.

[RavishingEddie]

MY honest opinion

I am actually working on a project right now that will blow some minds to say the least. But if there is something I would like to see in a mag that I believe is reasonably attainable is:

A good trigger frame - I hate frames with slop and many people do. So why not make one that can accept after market triggers other than AGD and make it microswitch ready.
Anything that offers customizability at a large scale will always bring $$$. The paintball industry is an aftermarket industry. Before it was just barrels now it is anything from regs to detents.

[zackzel]

Dual detents

Break beam eyes

Firing modes (or readily available boards)

These would be a great start plus a well adjustable trigger frame and a standard 9v battery.

[DocRocker]

My thoughts:

If youre going Electric, then go electric only. The whole being able to switch from mech to electric does not matter for the general paintballer (ie sales numbers). If it is adding a significant amount of cost and design restriction to do both than just do one or the other.

Electropneumatic: That to me sounds pretty cool

Autococker barrels: no question about that choice.

Keeping the RT valve: if you do that, I think you need to find a better way of routing the air. I have always hated how you need to have this big loop of macro or steel braided tubing on the side of my gun. It breaks the clean lines of the gun.

RT valve #2: I think this has to be redesigned some how. EVERYONE loves low pressure and is a huge selling point, despite the fact it really doesnt matter.

Level 10: Get rid of the Level 10 and go with electronic boards and eyes. People like knowing there are cheater boards, ramping etc etc, let them have the option to do want they want. Consumers like that idea.

Battery: Definite downfall for the emag. IT must be smaller no question about that one.

Warranty: if having this life time warranty is hurting AGD financially, well change it. make it more limited. I dont see why a company needs to stand by a product for life. Heck even spiders continue to work for a long time, they just need more maintanence.

Modular warp, regular feed: man get rid of this warp thing, very very very limited market. Almost Everyone uses vert feeds and these force feed loaders thats who you need to tailor to.

Electronic board: dude its got to have all the bells and whistles as the other markers out there. The mass market likes to see that their marker can do programs a-z despite the fact they never really use but 1 their whole life.

[TnDeathInc]

i would buy uo automag 2008 like i was in the desert for days and i found a lemonade stand.

[RRfireblade]

Keeping the RT valve: if you do that, I think you need to find a better way of routing the air. I have always hated how you need to have this big loop of macro or steel braided tubing on the side of my gun. It breaks the clean lines of the gun.

RT valve #2: I think this has to be redesigned some how. EVERYONE loves low pressure and is a huge selling point, despite the fact it really doesnt matter.

For right now , if it's going to be an AGD based project , the valve would have to stay stock. Otherwise you might as well make a whole marker from scratch or buy AGD and do a valve redesign. The ideal plan would be an updated platform for a Mag valve. The only addition I could see there would be a redesigned on/off for better flow and the possibilty of lower input pressure . . . somewhat.

Gas thru valve for sure. ( I have an idea worked out already and it works. )
Single peice body , bolt on grip frame
'Standard' grip frame
If any battery at all , smaller for sure


That would be the minimum to make a noteworthy change IMO.

[Pneumagger]

pneumagger, A problem I see [as you've drawn it] with your bolt is, the surface area in the rear of the bolt were the LP is applied needs to be significantly greater (or pressure) than the summed surface areas in the HP area; because you will have some compression during the firing sequence. The need to pressurize the bolt in order to fire would add a delay to the firing sequence. Neat idea. Also Dye pretty much has patent lock down on tailed bolts.


2008 - make the bolt on hAir or an electric-version.

Both of the valves are balanced. I'm mainly looking to get the first (more spoolike) valve made. The second valve just uses the AGD bolts and powertube, so it can drop right into a body. But both would need alterations to the rails.

But the Hair version would be insanely sweet as a release.