2008 Automag . . .

[RRfireblade]

Both of the valves are balanced. I'm mainly looking to get the first (more spoolike) valve made. The second valve just uses the AGD bolts and powertube.

But the Hair version would be insanely sweet as a release.

See my above post . . . if your going to go that far , it's not a Mag anymore. :)

[Pneumagger]

See my above post . . . if your going to go that far , it's not a Mag anymore. :)

Your absolutely right. the current design I'm planning on sending out just has the frame bolt to the tube... so It's not a mag in any such way.

I think a must is internal airlines, 9v (or 9v sized rechargable) if electro, all ULE, dual detents, and eyes (if electro). The mag rail has alot of room up front to house a board and eye ribbons, so all You'd have to fit ni the frame is the battery, switch, and actuation system.
Another thing I'd love to see standard on mags is an 85* type of rame (as long as it doesn't look ugly like the alien frame).

And 1.5 lbs max.

[RavishingEddie]

If are going to make a electro/pneu frame with the gun, make one that has the On/Off already built into it if it does not infrige any SP patents

[rawbutter]

A new mag should also have a cool looking body. The ULE bodies are okay... but nowhere near as pretty as a karta or even an Xmag.

[Lohman446]

Jay, if this gets past talk into preproduction - let me know where to send the $$ for my preorder.

Thanks

[nevtangle]

Definately would have to be new redesigned looking EP Mag. Newer style body and grip. Eyes w/ lvl 10 optional, light as hell, etc. etc.

[Pneumagger]

If are going to make a electro/pneu frame with the gun, make one that has the On/Off already built into it if it does not infrige any SP patents

What do you mean? like the power switch? I believe SP's patent covers the use of a trigger switch. Not sure... it covers alot.

[Jaan]

A good sized dealer base that is willing to sell you spare parts.

I've been trying to get a handful of spare parts for weeks now and I can't get my e-mails returned. It's frustrating having a gun sitting there not working because it needs a rail bushing, and barrels that can't be used because you have no nubbins.

[Lohman446]

Jay is pretty good with the patent things. I'm sure he understands the water he treads.

[cyrus-the-virus]

wow I'm not reading through this entire thread I don't have the attention span :P

Anyhow I've got a good idea in my head I just don't know how to put it into words or pictures. It's kinda like trying to open a CAD file with paint :P

Anyhow it's kind of like this.

1: Remove the sear
2: Remove the on/off

3: Inside of the valve there will be a "ram" of some sort. This will plug the hole to the power tube when the marker is at rest.

When you fire the marker the ram will pull back allowing air to escape like in a normal mag. But after the fireing cycle the ram pushes forward closing off the hole again alowing the bolt to return.

it would probubly require a redesign on the reg, deending on how bulky the ram end's up being.

4: The ram can be pneumaticly controled 2-way ram, using a pneumatic solenoid like most other EP markers.
or
You can use a "pancake" noid to draw the ram back, then use a spring+airpressure to return it.

The pneumatic ram would be easier on batterys, possably the cheaper option (as most of the parts you would need are readily avalable) but it would be the bulkier option as you would have more part's to deal with.

The pancake noid ram would probubly be the more expensive option, but it would be a lot simpiler and would require less tuning.

What do you guy's think? The nice thing about my option is that it would still use the lvl ten and all the other exsisting mag parts on the market (except trigger frames)

I'd like some thought's and critisisim... Also if my idea is used I demand a 10% disscount.

[robnix]

Alright . . .

Let's say for instance , someone was considering putting together the resources to bring an all new (as new as new could be ) Automag valve based marker platform. Meaning , a fresh marker that would accept the standard AIR/RT valve but besides that , the sky is the limit more or less.

What kind of person would you think that might peak interest in and what precisely , should said marker consist of at least bare minimum?

Thoughts ? E vs Mech ? Price ? Features ? Whatever . . . let's here it. Design your dream mag. What's it going to take to sell.

(assume for the moment the stock valve would go unchanged)


Let's here some thoughts . . .

I've already thought about this, I just don't have the money or the equipment to do it.

The body needs to have some form to it. The ULE's are nice, but plain. The body needs eye holes and covers drilled and installed.
Mech frame milled to accept something along the lines of a T-Board, battery, and solenoid, with or without eyes, including a slot for the microswitch.
Xvalve w/level 10.

This way you get a sweet looking RT/Pro that will work mechanically off the bat and can be easily converted to an electro with a quality drop in aftermarket board. If there are any electro failures, it can quickly be converted back to mech mode by removing the electronics and replacing the trigger pin. Everything needs to be ULE milled.

It'll follow the modular design of current mags, the majority of these parts would be installable on current mags, the only issue I see is the trigger would only work on this frame.
The buyer will have choice on anything from mech only to electro with or without eyes. It'll be light, fast, and reliable. If the starter mech package went for under $500.00, you could have a nice, electro, tournament ready mag for under $650.00 that would compete with most anything out there.

[Pneumagger]

When you fire the marker the ram will pull back allowing air to escape like in a normal mag. But after the fireing cycle the ram pushes forward closing off the hole again alowing the bolt to return.

The on/off doesn't have that kind of raw airflow. Think of the dumpc hamber as a an electrical capacitor but for air. It stores buit up air to release all at once - kind of like trying to run a pancake noid off a stright 9v. That was the idea behind the MQ mag valve - because the MQ was really one of the first valves that could deliver that kind of flow your thinking of.

Great idea, but the mag valve would need designed for better flow delivery. Although the way the retro delivers air, it may be possible without total redesign (but some nevertheless). And the point Jay makes is that if your going to design something new, just invent a whole new gun to free yourself from the Mag's restricting platform, unless you really want the new gun to look like a mag. New design in an old platform is a waste of money and wasted effort.

[RRfireblade]

The true beauty of the Mag , IMO , is the fact that the whole valve/bolt/air system is drop in. Other than the sear axle location , there's very few issues with function to worry about in the whole rest of the marker design. That is really the only reason to go the Mag route and the only way it could be efficiently accomplished , cost and production wise.

[Warwitch]

Modular warp, regular feed: man get rid of this warp thing, very very very limited market. Almost Everyone uses vert feeds and these force feed loaders thats who you need to tailor to.

I would have to disagree on that one. Many people are running Warp body and Q-loader setups, myself included. I absolutely love that Mags are the only marker that lets you have a clear line of sight across the top. I think it would be a huge feature to have swappable breaches like an X-mag.

[MoeMag]