G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

[Smoothice]

Oh hes been busy...

Becoming the newest sponsor of customcockers.com

Betcha can't guess what he will be offering them soon?

[Looper]

Oh hes been busy...

Becoming the newest sponsor of customcockers.com

Betcha can't guess what he will be offering them soon?

A long wait...

Yes, we made the pneumatic frames. This was a project launched last year that was done for the Automags but somehow the prototype had a lot bugs that took a long time to fix and as well produce a small run for these guys.

The production versions had a trigger pull down to 0.5mm where also I posted a video that showed me shooting my prototype with a milkshake straw.

All the frames are finally delivered and we are wrapping up on the internal Micro-LPR which itself needed bugs fixes that will be resolved soon.

After that is done, I'll be focusing on Autocockers.

Garf

It's nice he can give the Cocker group updates to our frames but he can't stop by here and post anything... I really like my frame but damm man... your customer service and communication just (fill in your own words, I like not being banned)...

[Chronobreak]

anyone got a link? if hes doing a pre order there we MIGHT wanna do our due dilligence and let them know what they are in for, and that we still(well some of us) dont even have complete frames(no lpr)

[UThomas]

anyone got a link? if hes doing a pre order there we MIGHT wanna do our due dilligence and let them know what they are in for, and that we still(well some of us) dont even have complete frames(no lpr)

Don't worry - I'll keep everyone up to date there. I'm one of the admins and also a guy waiting on the internal LPR... so please don't use this as an opportunity to go hammer his inbox on customcockers also. Though for the life of me I don't understand why he can't use any of a half dozen off the shelf LPRs...

[Twistedpsyche]

So let me get this straight, he can't finish our stuff but he has time for other projects??? Oh come on!!!! I hope he doesn't screw over the AC guys like he has us. I'm really sick of this guy.


BTW, here is a great place to start:

http://www.customcockers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=27

[UThomas]

So let me get this straight, he can't finish our stuff but he has time for other projects??? Oh come on!!!! I hope he doesn't screw over the AC guys like he has us. I'm really sick of this guy.


BTW, here is a great place to start:
http://www.customcockers.com/forum/f...splay.php?f=27

He is not working on any new projects as far as I can tell, just bouncing some ideas around the forums for potential project (he mentioned he had to wrap up the mag LPR's first).

[UThomas]

Spoke with Garf - quick update:

Only 12 people need LPR's (that low # surprised me).

The reason he does not want to use an off the shelf part is because he feels a higher volume custom one will better match the performance characteristics of the frame.

I also asked him about taking the frame apart for anno (which a few people have also been interested in). Here is his reply:

The frame can be taken a part easily.

Just remove the 6-32 soc cap screws for the MSV-1 valve and the 4-40 flat head
screws for the actuator.

The trigger pin is held in by a M3 set screw at the top of the frame.

When you reassemble the trigger, the valve may not be in the exact location so
slight trigger set screws may be need to get it ripping. [...]

[Pneumagger]

Spoke with Garf - quick update:

Only 12 people need LPR's (that low # surprised me).

The reason he does not want to use an off the shelf part is because he feels a higher volume custom one will better match the performance characteristics of the frame.

I also asked him about taking the frame apart for anno (which a few people have also been interested in). Here is his reply:

The frame can be taken a part easily.

Just remove the 6-32 soc cap screws for the MSV-1 valve and the 4-40 flat head
screws for the actuator.

The trigger pin is held in by a M3 set screw at the top of the frame.

When you reassemble the trigger, the valve may not be in the exact location so
slight trigger set screws may be need to get it ripping. [...]

Honestly, that WGP LPR I tested the other day worked great in the Gforce frame. I didn't see an issue.
Although a post LPR volumizer would be nice because the reg's reaction time allows a slight overpressure on startup.
No risks if you gas up with the trigger depressed though.

[TwilightG]

Only 12 people need LPR's (that low # surprised me).

I suspect that there were fewer customers than we thought... either that or since the frame was specifically milled to accommodate external lpr's, fewer people were interested in the additional cost of going internal.

[Twistedpsyche]

Being one of the 12 really sucks though. This guy has been jerking us around for over a year now. It really ticks me off. Obviously he can't do what he is looking to do so he should just refund us, of course he won't. He's not man enough to admit that he was wrong. I'm really really sick of this whole thing.

[Looper]

Just for the record I too am one of twelve, and he has a CP Direct mount ASA of mine.

I have sent an email to him requesting the return of my CP Direct mount ASA and the funds I paid for the LPR.

Garf, if you read this thread please post your intentions to the "Delayed Dozen" and let us know if we can get a refund and our parts back.

It's sad that you do not have the balls to post here and tell your customers what is going on. It's even sadder that we do not get updates via our private emails to let us know that you are working the issues. As far as I am concerned the lack of communications has deemed this project abandoned and thus you have abandoned your customers.

[UThomas]

I'm one of the 12 also. I suspect this is a huge *** whip for Garf also since we're talking about under $1k for him to prototype a part from scratch. Well - at least if you have to have an internal LPR you can grab one in the dealers section for $50. I would - btw - be very surprised if Garf reads this thread at all anymore.

Anyone thought of any way to make an adapter plate with an on/off that sits between the direct mount and the internal LPR?

[Twistedpsyche]

I emailed garf several days ago requesting my ASA and money back. I doubt I'll ever see either again. It's a good thing he lives so far away......

[MikeRosenthal]

I suspect that there were fewer customers than we thought... either that or since the frame was specifically milled to accommodate external lpr's, fewer people were interested in the additional cost of going internal.

At the time i ordered my frame Garf was promising the LPR would be available for purchase at any time in the future. Since the frame was compatible with an external LPR I figured I would be ok with out one, and i could pick one up if they ever came out. Therefore I only ordered the frame because I didn't see the point in laying out the money for the LPR too. When he shipped the frame I tried to get added to the LPR list and he never answered my email. I never bothered contacting him again after that.

Seeing what Pneumagger has whipped up, i'm glad he never got back to me. I'd rather use an existing LPR anyhow.

(Haven't been to AO in a few months so I just saw Pneumagger's setup today. sweeeeeet)

[WickedKlown2]

Well add me to the Dirty Dozen List...

I ordered a LPR from Garf and haven't heard diddly from him either... I would like to either have the LPR promised 1 YEAR AGO or a Full refund of the price of the LPR and Shipping Costs...

WK2