G-Force to release pneumatic frames for the Mags

[Dend78]

Garf,

I have no personal quarls with you as I never purchased any of your products, i may be sticking my neck out, but i dont believe the people hate you, its just people are tired of waiting for something to happen. At least take a moment to update your thread and let everyone know where you stand on the project, rather than once every six months or so. I understand with new builds things can take time but keep people updated, I believe everyone would be much more understanding if you popped in and said here is a pic of what im working with and here are the issues ive found. Like i said i dont know but i think it would help quell the masses especially those who have paid and are waiting in line. again just my 2 cents handle it how you wish.

~Dend78

[insixdays777]

The G-force frame is really something special...shortest trigger pull I have had on any mech and I dare even say electro! It can be set incredibility super stupid short, and a Higher flow lower pressure LPR would make the trigger lighter...just wish I had the GForce LPR already.

But my excitement for it has been dampened by all the drama, it just sits in my gear bag waiting the G-force LPR...

I am very happy with the Product Garth Delivered so far...works and feels better than I expected...but I am very UNHAPPY with Garth's customer service, communication, and attitude.

It sucks that we (myself included) had to go ape **** crazy just to get you to get the frames out the door 1 yeah after we where supposed to have them...

Garth - we just dont really believe you want to and will get these out to us unless we raise hell with the BBB, hassle you with calls and emails and general hound the hell out of you. I believe 100% that we probably would not have our frames now if we did not do that 6 months ago...

Garth please make the completion of the LPR's a top priority...I really dont want to have to start all the drama again just to get a product we paid for 2 yrs ago? ( I cant even remember)...

Thanks - We dont hate you...just your custormer service skills!

Update the thread...put some LPR protype pics up...that would go a long way....

[Mongoose]

How is it incomplete???? only a handful has opted for the optional internal LPR. Are you saying the rest can not use their frames?

And your p mag is cover in a patent. So there is nothing to compare.

Garf

Sounds like you used to work for smart parts

Your the one that stated that your frames will outperform all other "homemade" p-mags
and all im saying is that your wrong!

have a good day

[G-Force Tech]

Nik,

We have machined several prototye LPRs that have many components which takes many hours, not minutes for a feedneck mod.

Garf

Back with a vengance!!

Garf I would rather have you talking smack in this thread then never speaking up.

As far as feedneck mods having nothing to do with production...

It is still time spent on Paintball. If you don't have time to work on the lpr's how do you have time to mod a feedneck?

[G-Force Tech]

Don't brag about your p mag it's not orignal anyways since it is cover under a patent.

Garf

Sounds like you used to work for smart parts

Your the one that stated that your frames will outperform all other "homemade" p-mags
and all im saying is that your wrong!

have a good day

[Hilltop Customs]

Pneumagger, cyberdave,etc and others that have been selling DIY pneu kits and doing conversions have made lot of $$$$$$$$ for years that are covered in our patents and at the same time should be paying AO to be a selling vendor.

are you????

I stepped up to the plate and delivered a pneu frame from the ground up instead of stuffing parts into a stock frame. Our frames outperforms any DIY frame or conversions out there. I guess the only way for you to match it, is to copy it now.

Yes, you delivered a frame, nearly 12 months late after you guaranteed MANY delivery dates and just let them pass by, probably because you had no intention of meeting them in the first place. You also HAVENT DELIVERED A COMPONENT TO MANY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS. And now you just happen to mention that ticklers will break your product, forgive me if I missed it, but I'd say thats pretty important for your customers to know....so why is this the first time I'm hearing about it? That info should have been added to the first post and included in the instruction manual.

And no, I have not released any new production projects on CC. Don't compare feedneck mods to manufacturing production work.

Work is work.....can you work on a LPR you are MASSIVELY behind on, while modding feednecks?

I have shared with several AO members that during the time I was working on the frames, that I came up with a modification to allow the Mag to shoot deeper into the tank. The protoype had an operating pressure of just under 300psi using the level10, but it was inconsistent and needs more refinement. Another prototype was made running sub 250psi and the level10 is no longer required. I can still get it lower. Since there is so much hate for me, this project is now in the closet forever since no one wants LP. So Pneumagger, Cyberdave, etc. show the AO folks you can do this LP mod and be a real hero, that's if you know how to do it.

What does this have to do with anything? You cant come through for a simple frame project and you believe people would trust you with their valves for modification. BTW, add volume to the power tube and reduce the bolt spring pressure.....its not that complex of an idea. Anyway dont talk crap on our members, they havent repeatedly given broken promises.

Garf

How is it incomplete???? only a handful has opted for the optional internal LPR. Are you saying the rest can not use their frames?

And your p mag is cover in a patent. So there is nothing to compare.

Garf

So a handful of your customers still cant use your frame, and your using the fact that its a ONLY a handful as an excuse for claiming the frame is COMPLETE? you have got to be kidding.

Beemer, delete this if you dont think its relevant, I'm just really tired of this guy's BS.

[WickedKlown2]

Garf,

Here is what I would like to see as one of your paying customers... I would like the item I paid for completed in a timely manner and up to Spec. stated by you the vendor... Not some half baked job that will not perform up to standard... I have been using a LPR that you told me to use over the phone and that was an added expense out of my pocket for what I had already paid for... I would like to see this project through but I am slowly loosing faith because of said deadlines not coming to fruition... Please don't state any more deadlines but please keep us up to date on a weekly or bi-weekly basis so we know where you/we stand...

All we are asking for is the best product available and "updates" to said product... Not missed deadlines and I'm sorries... Please do the right thing and make the Best and not a half stepped product just to get this out... Once again a weekly or bi-weekly update is all that is needed to keep everybody up to date and everybody happy...

Thank You

WK2

[G-Force Tech]

Don't you have your own thread to hang around in instead of posting here Mr Hilltop?

Are you saying that all DIY and airsmithed p frames have internal LPRs? So the ones that don't are complete too.

Garf

So that handful still cant use your frame, and your using the fact that its a ONLY a handful as an excuse for claiming the frame is COMPLETE? you have got to be kidding.

Beemer, delete this if you dont think its relevant, I'm just really tired of this guy's BS.

[Hilltop Customs]

No I'm saying you promised an Internal LPR when you started your project.....where is it?

[Mongoose]

Don't brag about your p mag it's not orignal anyways since it is cover under a patent.

Garf

I'm just sticking up for a few AO members that have built some very nice p-mags...and it didnt take two years to make.

i never posted in this thread and never was going to until you decided to call some people out

I would prefer to say my p-mag falls under PTP's patent...

[Looper]

At this point I just want a conversation in a public forum that states where we are in the process so there are no "favorites" or "second hand information". All we get are occasional encrypted email; that looks like a lawyer wrote it, about a new promised deadline when ever we start to raise a fuss after you have missed another deadline.

AO has turned into your red headed step children and I hardly think that is fair. For 2.5 years we have waited with bait and switch promises from you... and it's all our fault. How is it our fault?

I know you have offered for us to call you any time directly to get another false promise about a deadline or an excuse because you don't want to deal with the heat on the forums but when you want to start selling new services where do you go... to a forum, well I feel it is my duty to let others know how long we have waited for your service.

Why do we need to create a firestorm for you to come out from that rock your hiding under. Yes you made a nice frame but if you can not stand the heat in a forum don't post and that means any forum.

Garf, I don't care about what others are doing to hurt or help your business, the way I see it you left the door open when you ignored your customers. If you truly want to shut up the competition put your money where your mouth is and sell products that out perform in a timely fashion. Of anyone in the paintball world I thing AO'ers understand Performance over hype.

Shawn Markham
Oder Time: Oct 18, 2007 02:52 PM
Sales Order Number: 923

[G-Force Tech]

WK2,

At this point people are not going to be happy with any answer.

These frames were designed to work only with external large pistoned LPRs. Unfortunately I promised to deliver an internal version that in order for it to have the same performance level as an external, a brand new designed had to be manufactured. The pre-production versions have still bugs that keep on coming back so new prototypes have to be made and retested.

I would like to make sure that the LPRs are bug free before doing a final production run. Also since the quantity is so low, these are being done at a lost.

Garf

Garf,

Here is what I would like to see as one of your paying customers... I would like the item I paid for completed in a timely manner and up to Spec. stated by you the vendor... Not some half baked job that will not perform up to standard... I have been using a LPR that you told me to use over the phone and that was an added incurred expense out of my pocket for what I had already paid for... I would like to see this project through but I am slowly loosing faith because of said deadlines not coming to fruition... Please don't state any more deadlines but please keep us up to date on a weekly or bi-weekly basis so we know where you/we stand...

All we are asking for is the best product available and "updates" to said product... Not missed deadlines and I'm sorries... Please do the right thing and make the Best and not a half stepped product just to get this out... Once again a weekly or bi-weekly update is all that is needed to keep everybody up to date and everybody happy...

Thank You

WK2

[G-Force Tech]

Shawn,

I worked hard to deliver solid performance p frames. Although, there were still more things I want do to for it but delivering it was more important.

The LPRs still have bugs. I am not happy with it. I believe the frames deserve better.

Garf

At this point I just want a conversation in a public forum that states where we are in the process so there are no "favorites" or "second hand information". All we get are occasional encrypted email; that looks like a lawyer wrote it, about a new promised deadline when ever we start to raise a fuss after you have missed another deadline.

AO has turned into your red headed step children and I hardly think that is fair. For 2.5 years we have waited with bait and switch promises from you... and it's all our fault. How is it our fault?

I know you have offered for us to call you any time directly to get another false promise about a deadline or an excuse because you don't want to deal with the heat on the forums but when you want to start selling new services where do you go... to a forum, well I feel it is my duty to let others know how long we have waited for your service.

Why do we need to create a firestorm for you to come out from that rock your hiding under. Yes you made a nice frame but if you can not stand the heat in a forum don't post and that means any forum.

Garf, I don't care about what others are doing to hurt or help your business, the way I see it you left the door open when you ignored your customers. If you truly want to shut up the competition put your money where your mouth is and sell products that out perform in a timely fashion. Of anyone in the paintball world I thing AO'ers understand Performance over hype.

Shawn Markham
Oder Time: Oct 18, 2007 02:52 PM
Sales Order Number: 923

[insixdays777]

Garth just pop in here every week with something like...

"Machining last piston plunger V2.4 of LPR...should resolve low end recharge rates..."

Then post a pic...and sit back and enjoy no one giving you hell and knuckle out the bugs in peace!

Its really not that hard...heck Logic has been doing that for 4yrs? with his eframes....and no tears have been shed by anybody...

[Dend78]

heck Logic has been doing that for 4yrs? with his eframes

bahaha i was gonna say something along those lines but decided not to be a uhhh crap spoon :rofl: