Introducing the Micromag 2009

[C_losjoker]

seriously rant or not, if you do not have an order for one of the bodies. you should not be allowed to post on here. most of the time you are just taking up space, bringing up points that have been covered sooooooooooo many times already. most here that know and like Mags, are willing to wait and if not i am sure you will be able to sell your spot just like some people have already.

yeah its taken them way longer to finish this project, something that Tracy and PTP i am sure are not happy about. But me for one i am glad that they are doing all the testing before they ship out a gun that we are all going to have problems with and hate at the end. also one thing to remember the wait on this is also our fault. do you know how many times Tracy had to change the order for people, how many times she had people beg her to let them in and take their money on the preorder. Also how many times everyone wanted some changes done to the prototype, prototype was set with one detent. what happens everyone clammers for a second, Tracy AND Forest go back and get us what we want. Then everyone wanted this milled, that shaved, jsut to get a design that everyone would like and get at least 100 of them ordered. You dont think any of that added any time to the project and figuring out how much total material they needed to order for everyone to get theirs, without them been stuck for cost/loss that they did not need.

Tracy has bent backwards and forwards to please everyone, from changing their orders, adding to their orders, "can i just order a another Feed neck or breach but not a body". She did all this to keep us happy and trying to get everyone what they wanted. And what is her reward for it, everyone *****ing, yelling and leaving her angry messages. I would really be surprised when this is all set and done, if PTP even makes a profit or brake even. ok I could really keep going, but this has gotten a little long. sorry about that, but I just had to say it.

peace out to everyone, have a great Christmas, a very safe and happy new year. hope everyone makes it back out on the fields in spring.

[Ratt]

seriously rant or not, if you do not have an order for one of the bodies. you should not be allowed to post on here. most of the time you are just taking up space, bringing up points that have been covered sooooooooooo many times already. most here that know and like Mags, are willing to wait and if not i am sure you will be able to sell your spot just like some people have already.

I wholeheartedly agree. As a matter of fact, to help reduce the clutter on this particular thread, I think another thread should be created, and if someone wants to gripe/complain, they can do it there. I think there has been way too much complaining on this thread, and there has been way too much 'random complaining' (complaints by people who have no money tied up in this project, so in reality, have no reason to post complaints)

As a matter of fact, I created a thread for all you complainers: http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...74#post2683874

[Hgblues]

Don't get me wrong, I still love PTP and I own every other marker (yes every other marker) else that they've made in the past, but I'm facing a situation where I need money very badly for something a little more important than paintball markers.

When it comes to choosing what to sell, the first item on the chopping block is DEFINITELY going to be the fully paid-for, no-refunds, no end in sight project gun, the maker of which I can't even seem to get in contact with. It's been too long, there are more important things, so I'm cashing out my chips.

good luck getting out. I was ready to get my deposit outa somebody and just buy a vert feed ule body and move on. However, I couldn't sell the ptp pre order to anybody. Tracy said there were people on a waiting list, but those people were never sent my way. Heck, I started back playin but just bought a DM6 to play with instead of my mag. I willl NEVER buy into another "pre order" on AO. I thought I was safe with this one, but, looks like I'm on the back burner with everybody else, just hopin we're not toast.

[teufelhunden]

good luck getting out. I was ready to get my deposit outa somebody and just buy a vert feed ule body and move on. However, I couldn't sell the ptp pre order to anybody. Tracy said there were people on a waiting list, but those people were never sent my way. Heck, I started back playin but just bought a DM6 to play with instead of my mag. I willl NEVER buy into another "pre order" on AO. I thought I was safe with this one, but, looks like I'm on the back burner with everybody else, just hopin we're not toast.

i think that's what everybody thinks... "oh this one will be different for X and Y reasons". I just don't get it. The same people wouldn't put up with it anywhere else... why are paintball dealers looked at like charity cases? Infinity Ward (the COD4/MW2 company) caught HELL over delays to the PC version of MW2... and I think it was only a week or two. But in paintball, everybody becomes an apologist for the company who's not fulfilling their expectations (and frankly, the terms that were agreed upon at the outset).

To people complaining about my complaining (which it really isn't, as the extra observant apologists have pointed out), it's not like there's anything useful being posted. Sorry for raining on your make believe parade about everything being alright (and the floats of course being huge micromag 2009/10/11/40s).

[nuclear zombie]

i think that's what everybody thinks... "oh this one will be different for X and Y reasons". I just don't get it. The same people wouldn't put up with it anywhere else... why are paintball dealers looked at like charity cases? Infinity Ward (the COD4/MW2 company) caught HELL over delays to the PC version of MW2... and I think it was only a week or two. But in paintball, everybody becomes an apologist for the company who's not fulfilling their expectations (and frankly, the terms that were agreed upon at the outset).

Not really a fair comparison, small custom paintball runs are not done by multi-million dollar corporations actually it's a terrible comparison that makes no sense. I think most of us understand that any paintball company doing a small custom run is a small company staffed by a handful of people. The other problem is that once you've committed you're basically along for the ride, this isn't like gamestop where you put $5 down on a game and at most you're out $5. This happens all the time in paintball, (not that I agree with it) and I'm sure this happens in other niche custom markets.

[going_home]

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[wetwrks]

I would respectfully request that anyone bashing the sale (who doesn't have a purchase involved) be given a suspension to their account.

Yous pays yours dues...then (and only then) you have a right to gripe.

[sslecyk03]

Where did all the "if you didn't buy a body you can't comment" talk come from? This is an online forum and if someone is registered to AO and feels like chiming in with their .02 they can do that. I completely agree with anyone who is frustrated with what is going on. I've seen this time and time again and this is why I never get in on the pre-order frenzies.

Yes, it is a small company doing custom work but the deadline was given to be 4-6 weeks, not months. Sure deadlines get pushed back but all too often on AO things get out of hand and shady business starts to occur (not saying that is what PTP is doing).

It isn't hard to make a realistic deadline like a few months and leave it at that but most of us know the reasons for padding the deadline so to speak. Trust me, I would be frustrated too if I paid a good portion of my money for something like this and it kept being pushed back. It isn't fair to the customers and it gives all dealers here a bad rap.

I didn't buy one of these, and to be honest, after seeing the pictures I am glad I didn't. It has been a lot of time for something that looks "decent". I just hope everybody gets their bodies in a timely manner and this doesnt get out of control.

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[nuclear zombie]

Where did all the "if you didn't buy a body you can't comment" talk come from? This is an online forum and if someone is registered to AO and feels like chiming in with their .02 they can do that. I completely agree with anyone who is frustrated with what is going on. I've seen this time and time again and this is why I never get in on the pre-order frenzies.

I agree, the idea of limiting the thread to only buyers is a crazy self defeating plan. I'm sure constantly bugging PTP with an updated list of buyers wouldn't slow the process down I welcome anyone that has an opinion on the matter, we're only at 67 pages so far and I think we can do better than that. I say we strive to have 100 pages of worthwhile discussion on this topic before the bodies are released.

[teufelhunden]

Not really a fair comparison, small custom paintball runs are not done by multi-million dollar corporations actually it's a terrible comparison that makes no sense. I think most of us understand that any paintball company doing a small custom run is a small company staffed by a handful of people. The other problem is that once you've committed you're basically along for the ride, this isn't like gamestop where you put $5 down on a game and at most you're out $5. This happens all the time in paintball, (not that I agree with it) and I'm sure this happens in other niche custom markets.

You're right, it's not a fair comparison- MW2 has to run on an infinite number of hardware configurations, powered by an infinite number of drivers, with an infinite number of consumer-set software settings. Not to mention it has to have stupidly sweet graphics, with no clipping, frame drops, or lag. It also has to be nothing less than substantially similar to the Xbox and PS3 versions. Oh, and it's their first time around the block with the brand new engine it's built on.

The Micromag body is a rehash of something they've already done, with the addition of breeches. Not designing a marker from scratch. So yeah, you figure it should be pretty straightforward. They know the internal specs and the tolerances... just chop up the outside. Maybe they should've ordered those pseudo slugs from XMagterror (he's the one who makes/made them, right?).

I would respectfully request that anyone bashing the sale (who doesn't have a purchase involved) be given a suspension to their account.

Yous pays yours dues...then (and only then) you have a right to gripe.

aka "people who say things that make me think i didn't make the best choice" are meanies and shouldn't be allowed on my playground

Where did all the "if you didn't buy a body you can't comment" talk come from? This is an online forum and if someone is registered to AO and feels like chiming in with their .02 they can do that. I completely agree with anyone who is frustrated with what is going on. I've seen this time and time again and this is why I never get in on the pre-order frenzies.

Yes, it is a small company doing custom work but the deadline was given to be 4-6 weeks, not months. Sure deadlines get pushed back but all too often on AO things get out of hand and shady business starts to occur (not saying that is what PTP is doing).

It isn't hard to make a realistic deadline like a few months and leave it at that but most of us know the reasons for padding the deadline so to speak. Trust me, I would be frustrated too if I paid a good portion of my money for something like this and it kept being pushed back. It isn't fair to the customers and it gives all dealers here a bad rap.

I didn't buy one of these, and to be honest, after seeing the pictures I am glad I didn't. It has been a lot of time for something that looks "decent". I just hope everybody gets their bodies in a timely manner and this doesnt get out of control.

Came from the suckers who can't help but drop money on every preorder to ever exist. Probably had a Devilmag lined up, ordered a g-force frame, and are planning to put it on this body.

Being a small company isn't a pass. A small company that gets my money is being held to the same standards as a large company who gets my money. Frankly, I'd expect the small company to turn out a better product in less time - less levels of corporate crap, more involvement from ownership. Should be more pride, too.

To be fair, in her original post, tracy_ptp did say that they would "do [their] best" about the time frame. So 4-6 weeks wasn't a promise or a guarantee, but commonly one would expect that if someone said 4-6 weeks, their best might be 8 or 10, not the 40 or whatever it is now (still with no product).

About making a fair deadline: I agree. I wonder how many people would've put skin in the game if tracy_ptp said in January 2009 "$100 preorder, you'll get the bodies sometime around a year to eighteen months from now." Not many would be my guess. I'm sure there would be some early adopters and some people who need to have things first, but I bet the majority of you would've wanted to hang onto your cash and see if you could either get one from PTP that was extra/stock or secondhand.

[MANN]

They know the internal specs and the tolerances... just chop up the outside.

Well...let me rephrase it then so people understand where the problem lies. Micromags' breeches are not "typically tighter", they are "typically the wrong size"...as are most of the other measurements and tolerences that make up that line of markers.

Maybe..Maybe not. I personally would prefer them to be to "AGD spec"

[maniacmechanic]

Dear non purchasers , thank you for your comments , as some of you have said preorders stink & yes we still buy into them , why you ask , because we want something new , different , not of the norm , strange things for strange folks , however you want to say it .
Tell ya what , next time you want to moan about how somebody else spends thier money , go down to WalMart and start preaching to the folks about puting Mom & Pop stores out of bussiness , feeding the Chinese war machine , putting Americans out of work with foreign products ect. ect. . Because I think your preaching to the chior here

As for those trying to get out of the preorder , sorry you didn't squirrel away your nickels , the money I paid for this was " neverneeded " money , money that I would have spent on cigarettes or with the dreaded Snap On man

[TheePsycho]

Well all I have to say is I'm happy that Tracy was able to get me in on the preorder and I don't care really how long it takes as long as it is done right the first time.

Happy Holidays from work

[Ando]

Guys. Just stop posting so the trolls will find some other bridge to squat on. Love how people tell others how to ****** their money

[going_home]

I Are Because I Post !

Every time you guys post paragraphs long posts admitting you didnt get a body and that you are glad you didnt, in the PTP MicroMag 2009 thread, you just make yourself look more and more ignorant, but good luck with all that.








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