Introducing the Micromag 2009

[Drix]

Call and talk to Zoom OR Forest. IF you talk to Tracy for info or such just treat her like a lady and be polite about it.

Have e-mailed Tracy, it pretty much got no-where. It's been about 2 weeks since our last update of "waiting" we're about due for another 1 liner.

[TheePsycho]

I would wait until January for a possible status update.

Holidays make everything hectic with family, decorating, shopping and everything else that goes along with it. Glad I don't celebrate the holidays.

[vf-xx]

Call and talk to Zoom OR Forest. IF you talk to Tracy for info or such just treat her like a lady and be polite about it.

Called Forest today looking for other parts. He said that Fireblade still has it for testing. He also said that as soon as they get final word from Fireblade that all is good they're ready to get the machine's humming.

[going_home]

Called Forest today looking for other parts. He said that Fireblade still has it for testing. He also said that as soon as they get final word from Fireblade that all is good they're ready to get the machine's humming.

Update appreciated, thanks.

[mt84]

Merry X-Mas and Happy New-Year 2 all. Thanks PTP for the effort, C U all next year.....

[teufelhunden]

Quick observation:

Why is it that PTP pulls the same stuff as other mag "dealers" with a preorder that stretches far far too long with no end in sight... but they have to be treated "like a lady" and everybody just accepts it?

Nearchos was less further behind (albeit out of contact) and at least one AO'er involved the police.

When is AO going to stop supporting this clearly flawed business model? Do you preorder cars or TVs or kitchen tables (not order or custom order, preorder) and then get kicked around for months and still smile about it? Business is the practice of taking monetary risks for potential monetary gain; when you guys participate in a preorder like this, you remove any element of risk for the "seller" and accordingly, any incentive. They have your money, so who cares if they get the product to you months late? They're paid, they're all set.

I understand PTP also (allegedly) has military contracts (which I suppose we could look up if we were so inclined). However, that is not an excuse for your bodies being what, 6 months late? With no delivery date in sight? PTP should have either not started this project without being able to guarantee they will have human and machine time to complete it, or they should have scheduled it to a time they knew that human and machine time was available. If the prospect of on-demand orders with rapid fulfillment requirements existed, a project like this shouldn't have been undertaken.

This project was announced roughly eleven months ago. You guys preordered based on renders. In the original post, Tracy_ptp said they would keep preorders open for 2-3 weeks and hope to be shipping the product 4-6 weeks after that. By my math, at worst, that puts your bodies in hand by the end of March. Then, in April, Tracy_ptp said they had material ordered and they were ready to move forward. Why was the material not ordered until after her original worst case projected delivery date? Then the first pictures of actual bodies showed up when, this fall? And it looked kinda weird on the gun, especially that 1/2 inch or so above the valve.

I don't know guys, why? Is this body THAT awesome? Is it worth two ULEs plus the wait to be able to switch out breeches? Or for that matter, have the dealers of AO and the rest of paintball ever put out a product that was worth a pre-order period like this? I frankly can't think of one that ever went smoothly, but I'm sure some have. Maybe something Coolhand did back in the day? Or something Deadlywind?

I don't have any financial interest in this project, just commentary after having watched this drag on for months with you poor souls salivating for any update about what is going on with stuff you ordered almost a year ago. Something that isn't nuclear powered, doesn't require quantum engineering (and shouldn't require much, if any... the specs for the bodies exist, just draw it and machine it [over simplified, yes, i understand, but nothing groundbreaking going on]). Nothing is original except for the cosmetics on this, and yet you're still waiting a year+.

Maybe it's time to be done with preorders and force the dealers to put a product up before you put cash up, same way every other business (especially businesses operating in this price range) has to do. If that means dealers leave, well, that sucks for them. You'll be left with dealers who make a quality product and are quality businessmen and women.

/rant, happy holidays

[vf-xx]

I'm not going to comment on everything you've posted, because I don't think you're entirely wrong.

That said, they are not completely without financial risk. Yes they did likely use pre-order money to get the ball rolling. HOWEVER, since they have set a price without having a final ready to machine design, they still have the problem of generating a working product within a set budget to still make any profit.

If they had fully build / prototyped and refined the body prior to offering it then they could have set a higher price to compensate for prototyping costs.

Now they have a defined budget to work within. They have the pressure of doing it right with as little excess cost over projected costs to actually turn any sort of profit on it.

The financial risk is still there.

That said, yes I am slightly disappointed at all the delays.

But, I still want it, and nothing I can do at this point can make things happen faster. My only recourse would be to try and sell my spot, but as I said before, I want the body.

Think of it as a cheaper option to a X-mag style body: Unibody with multiple breech configurations. Look how much Xmag's go for now. Given the limited production run on these bodies there's a reasonable chance they will have a collector status in a few years.

[Ando]

Is it that time of the month again?

Dude. No one's going to waist their breath on you. Everything that you've bla..bla..bla..has already been brought up and has already been answered. You seem to have read most of what's transpired but here you are again bringing up old ****. How about you go read some more and answer your own questions.

And it MARRY CHRISTMAS you HEATHEN....

[teufelhunden]

Is it that time of the month again?

Dude. No one's going to waist their breath on you. Everything that you've bla..bla..bla..has already been brought up and has already been answered. You seem to have read most of what's transpired but here you are again bringing up old ****. How about you go read some more and answer your own questions.

And it MARRY CHRISTMAS you HEATHEN....

Actually, it'd be merry Christmas, I have no plans to wed a holiday. I wasn't intending to attack this project, you guys are stuck unless you sell your spot in line. More wondering why projects like this are the modus operandi around here, and why the forum populous seems more than content with it.

[Dend78]

Actually, it'd be merry Christmas, I have no plans to wed a holiday. I wasn't intending to attack this project, you guys are stuck unless you sell your spot in line. More wondering why projects like this are the modus operandi around here, and why the forum populous seems more than content with it.

i see it as this its one of those things do i want it? hell yes i do! am i willing to wait for it yes ive been babysitting this since what 06 or 07 is it a matter of life and death if i get it 4 months ago or 4 months from now no. i would really like to have it now but i will wait its not eating any hay its just an empty set of lowers sitting there along with all my other unfinished projects.

i do see where you are coming from though you are correct in some of the preorder projects are getting a bit out of hand, internal lpr's, Devil Mags and whatever else you can add in here. it can be a bit unnerving but its PTP, just like its Tuna or Rogue. I know they dont do preorder stuff but still you get my point. I can make a phone call or email to them and usually get a response pretty quickly, where as with the Nearchos thing it didnt matter what i did there he was MIA numbers disconnected, no reply to emails and Swamp even used the mail option to no avail so it was a totally different story there. regardless you are correct we are stuck until its done which from the looks now doesnt look to be to long from now.

murry chirsmus to you and all

[Ando]

Actually, it'd be merry Christmas, I have no plans to wed a holiday.

Well you should marry it. From the looks of it, you need some holiday cheer in your life.
Spelling FTL :rofl:

[Frizzle Fry]

we are stuck until its done which from the looks now doesnt look to be to long from now.

No we aren't, and no it isn't.


Anyone want to buy my gloss black Emicro slot? I've been unable to reach you Tracy, but I need to sell.

[Dend78]

you are correct we are SEMI- stuck until its done which from the looks now doesnt look to be to long from now.

there ya go

[Frizzle Fry]

there ya go

Don't get me wrong, I still love PTP and I own every other marker (yes every other marker) else that they've made in the past, but I'm facing a situation where I need money very badly for something a little more important than paintball markers.

When it comes to choosing what to sell, the first item on the chopping block is DEFINITELY going to be the fully paid-for, no-refunds, no end in sight project gun, the maker of which I can't even seem to get in contact with. It's been too long, there are more important things, so I'm cashing out my chips.

[Dend78]

Don't get me wrong, I still love PTP and I own every other marker (yes every other marker) else that they've made in the past, but I'm facing a situation where I need money very badly for something a little more important than paintball markers.

When it comes to choosing what to sell, the first item on the chopping block is DEFINITELY going to be the fully paid-for, no-refunds, no end in sight project gun, the maker of which I can't even seem to get in contact with. It's been too long, there are more important things, so I'm cashing out my chips.

totally understand, i aint mad atcha just like everything else mag there will be some up on the chopping block now and again so your can whore out one of em later on

as far as contacting Tracy did you try giving PTP a call direct?