what would you spend 369 million on?

[wetwrks]

Coming next week: The debate over medical marijuana

Oh, don't get me started.

[Hilltop Customs]

Be careful about that. there are many types of sexuality as stated before. i Dont want to open floodgates of any sexual preditors.

dude, let me state it for you like this:
ANY SEXUALITY SHOULD BE LEGAL. IT IS ONLY THE SEXUAL ACTIONS WHICH PRODUCE VICTIMS THAT ARE ILLEGAL!

If a person likes kids, but never has one single action to follow up on that sexuality, then they are not a criminal. If a person looks at 1 child porn site, they have committed a crime, because that child could not have consented.

Now if a man sits at a park and stares at little kids all day, guess what, he has committed a crime. The children and parents are victims because they can no longer enjoy using a public area because of that man.

Next argument will be "well this guy keeps on hitting on me." Just like rape its not a crime until you tell them to stop, after which if it continues it is called sexual harassment.

I can go on, but the simple fact is crimes are actions that produce victims, not ways of being.

[ThePixelGuru]

but none the less you are dealing with a group of men. If one starts hitting on one someone could easily loose control and do something that they regret.

As I stated earlier. Preventing one gay person from being killed by someone in the army is worth the $. A trial to proscute the straight persons, and the lawsuits that would go against the armed forces would be 3 fold of 300million.

In that case, we should have a don't ask don't tell policy for homophobes rather than homosexuals.
Someone acting out is one thing, but someone failing to fully conceal something that shouldn't matter in the first place is another.

That's just it. It may not be affecting you now. Just wait until they are allowed into your bathroom.

They are allowed into your bathroom now. Gay men still use the men's room, and gay women still use the women's room. What's the big deal?
EDIT: Many places (like my brother's college) actually have co-ed bathrooms these days.



kosmo, man, you need to tone it down. This thread's been pretty civil except for a few select posters. Just because you think the thread's going to be deleted doesn't mean you have to go out of your way to be a dick to people you don't agree with.

[Hilltop Customs]

In my case I cannot go to a public restroom without the possibility of having some lady acting like a man standing there staring at me.

Oh you awful narrow minded individual, how can you discriminate against them like that. They cannot help it, it was how they were born.

That's just it. It may not be affecting you now. Just wait until they are allowed into your bathroom.

ok that whole transgender bathroom ruling is weird, opening up bathrooms that are specifically there to separate sexs for for lack of a better term comfort and security. Heres a simple argument against that one: These transgender people do all this to look like a certain sex, so they should use whichever sexs bathroom that they choose to be. Females who want to be males go to the male bathroom, where they have to use a stall....males who want to be females go to the female bathroom, where they are forced to use a stall(only thing there). Seems simple enough to me, follow your appearance.

[Hilltop Customs]

Oh, don't get me started.

oh I'll do it......I just need some free time this week lol

[Hilltop Customs]

just to add to the end of questionfuls remark about the internet stuff. Who cares if he posts all over the internet. Hell he could be in nude gay poses.....ALL over the net. It is the army's rule "dont ask dont tell" He is not expressly telling anyone in the army he is gay, therefore it is the army who is beginning the altercation by ASKING HIM. If someone in his barracks happens to come across the site that has his pictures, for anything to actually come of it the witnesses to the website would have to consult superior officers......hence asking questions.

[Hilltop Customs]

so i guess by the "dont ask dont tell" policy, and every single person involved with the whole situation should be discharged or at least punished in some way(excluding the homosexual who did not break any rules) This would continue the whole way of the line of command, since everyone involved were asking and telling.

I rest my case.

[wetwrks]

And our response to pedophiles who say "it's not my fault I was born this way" should be "that's too bad, it hurts kids" while our response to gays who say "it's not my fault I was born this way" should be "that's ok, it doesn't hurt anyone." The difference is that pedophiles have relationships with children too young to give informed consent while gays have relationships with fully functional, logically thinking adults.

Again, courts are saying that children as young as 10 are capable of making adult decisions. If the child and adult both consent who are you to interrupt their happiness?

As far as employers asking employees not to be gay, that's not how it works. Employers can't ask their employees to be male or to be white, why should they be able to ask them to be heterosexual?

They arn't, they are simply asking that the individual not advertise it. That the employer CAN ask.

Sexuality is not a choice - homosexual men's brains have been proven to be similar to women, there are proven genes that increase the likelihood of being gay (as does being a younger sibling), and scientists have even managed to flip a single fruit fly gene to get gay flies. The evidence just keeps piling up. Wait a few years and I bet we'll be able to figure out someone's sexuality based entirely on DNA.

Again, DNA. Either it validates everything including pedophilia or they are all invalidated by it.

[wetwrks]

Be careful about that. there are many types of sexuality as stated before. i Dont want to open floodgates of any sexual preditors.

That is it exactly. This opens the floodgates for all kinds or sexual predators.

[Hilltop Customs]

wetwrks, do our current laws give children the legal right to consent? it may allow them to make adult decisions in certain situations. Until the law changes to give the child a right to consent, adult decisions dont mean anything. Also when/if the law changes to read that way, yes a child could do whatever they want.....but that law is not going to change.

Yes they can ask their employees not to flaunt it, but the same standards should be applied to both sexes(ie: females cant kiss males, males cant kiss males, females cant kiss females no matter how much i want them to)

No DNA has nothing to do with anything......

dude, let me state it for you like this:
ANY SEXUALITY SHOULD BE LEGAL. IT IS ONLY THE SEXUAL ACTIONS WHICH PRODUCE VICTIMS THAT ARE ILLEGAL!

If a person likes kids, but never has one single action to follow up on that sexuality, then they are not a criminal. If a person looks at 1 child porn site, they have committed a crime, because that child could not have consented.

Now if a man sits at a park and stares at little kids all day, guess what, he has committed a crime. The children and parents are victims because they can no longer enjoy using a public area because of that man.

Next argument will be "well this guy keeps on hitting on me." Just like rape its not a crime until you tell them to stop, after which if it continues it is called sexual harassment.

I can go on, but the simple fact is crimes are actions that produce victims, not ways of being.

*rape the victim doesnt have to say no, IDK why I said rape instead of sexual harassment

[wetwrks]

man up and say sorry I dont swing that way. I highly doubt a women would dump a drink on someone without some type of provocation, more likely they would just tell them NO in some nice way.

I have seen a lady dump a drink on a guy who wouldn't take no for an answer on several occasions.

I highly doubt splashing with a drink on someone would get you charged with a hate crime, more likely slapped in the face....but then again any other guy would probably sock you.

I recently read of a local boy who is charged with a hate crime for "shoving" a boy who was hitting on him.

[wetwrks]

Well, whether you think openly gay people should be allowed in the army or not, there are probably hundreds of better ways $300+ million could be spent.

And there are better ways to spend money than to out individuals who get tatoos, but the rule is there for a reason.

[Hilltop Customs]

I have seen a lady dump a drink on a guy who wouldn't take no for an answer on several occasions.



I recently read of a local boy who is charged with a hate crime for "shoving" a boy who was hitting on him.

didnt take no for an answer = provocation

the guy who got charged deserved it because he was in the wrong. Just like any simple assault, it falls back to the first contact. Now if the guy who was hitting on him was told to stop, the blame is up in the air as to what exactly happened.

[wetwrks]

They are allowed into your bathroom now. Gay men still use the men's room, and gay women still use the women's room. What's the big deal?
EDIT: Many places (like my brother's college) actually have co-ed bathrooms these days.

The big deal is a lot of men don't want to go into the bathroom and have some lady looking at you. Moreover most women will seriously have issues with some man in their restroom. Doesn't matter how they are dressed.

[Hilltop Customs]