Osama's Dead

[BigEvil]

sorry, my inital statment should have been "talking heads" and left it at that. acutally i follow the news quite well and fully know and understand "enemy combatant" and dont worry, i am not for a second claiming that killing osama was wrong or illegal. just pointing out the hypocracy of the right wing talking heads, which is more the obvious.

Please share specific instances of aforementioned hypocracy with the rest of the class.

[Ando]

I think it'll be kind of hard to do that BE since 100% of fox news casters (which goes for just about all the rest of the station) are a bunch of worthless bags of pepe's. No one probably wrote down what they said or recorded what they seen on that worthless news station.

So good luck with the search CP

[BigEvil]

I think it'll be kind of hard to do that BE since 100% of fox news casters (which goes for just about all the rest of the station) are a bunch of worthless bags of pepe's. No one probably wrote down what they said or recorded what they seen on that worthless news station.

So good luck with the search CP

I'm sure you could help him out...

[hill160881]

The first hit in a search.
It seems Glenn Beck was on the show with him at one point, but not in this clip.

Sorry Army, but Obama, nor the government, can label someone an "Enemy Combatant" and use that as a reason to kill them, unless there is an amendment to the Constitution i am unaware of, as The judge points out in this video there are only three legal reasons, according to the constitution, for the government to kill. None of these three criteria were met.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb0FsId8piM

[Ando]

I'm sure you could help him out...

No thank you. I don't care if it was an illegal killing and really Hill? Your taking the word of disbard "judge"? You need to find someone a little more credible then that.

Even then, his reasoning of it being illegal can be said against Hitler if we killed him. We are at war and OBL was shot in the face after he went for a gun which falls somewhere in the realm of self-defense. All that guy does to include everyone of those fox news reporters is bend the truth to justify their own agenda.

Edit: and how dare you link someone that doesn't wear the same hat.

[going_home]

[hill160881]

No thank you. I don't care if it was an illegal killing and really Hill? Your taking the word of disbard "judge"? You need to find someone a little more credible then that.

Even then, his reasoning of it being illegal can be said against Hitler if we killed him. We are at war and OBL was shot in the face after he went for a gun which falls somewhere in the realm of self-defense. All that guy does to include everyone of those fox news reporters is bends the truth to justify their own agenda.

(Climbs onto soap box again)


The link was to show that some at fox were indeed doing what cockerpunk said. So that was the main point of the link.

Try showing us where in the constitution he is wrong, or is it easier to attack him personally, more semantics. Just Ignore the fact that "we the people" let our leaders do what ever the hell they want, as lons as they get the bad guy. I care nothing for what others think of Napolitano, nor do I think highly of him myself from what I know of him, but his paraphrasing of the constitution in regard to when the government can kill someone is correct.

So the question is do we now stand for anything originally American anymore? If you throw out the constitution then no, and you should stop pretending to be something you are not. You may be an American, but if you betray the principles we stand for, without consideration or recourse, you are only American by birth and a fan boy by your opinions. The buck stops with the constitution for this American.

So in this case the ones responsible for the supposed assassination need to be hailed as heros , as we all wanted him dead(if he was still alive), then prosecuted for there crime. If we want to maintain our American values that is.

(Climbs off soap box)

[Army]

The first hit in a search.
It seems Glenn Beck was on the show with him at one point, but not in this clip.

Sorry Army, but Obama, nor the government, can label someone an "Enemy Combatant" and use that as a reason to kill them, unless there is an amendment to the Constitution i am unaware of, as The judge points out in this video there are only three legal reasons, according to the constitution, for the government to kill. None of these three criteria were met.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb0FsId8piM

Sorry for you. Combat action does not fall under Constitutional criteria. An enemy combatant labels himself, by taking up arms against a government with no permission or support from his government. Enemy combatants are listed by the Hague Protocols as legitimate targets, and do not fall under any Geneva or Hague agreements or protections.

When military personnel have a legitimate target in sight, they pull the trigger.

Your Judge is comparing this action with civilian law enforcement. This was not law enforcement, this was military justice served----GI style.

[hill160881]

Then if the constitution has no say in military operations then why is that the first item you swear allegiance to before swearing to follow the orders of your commander and chief, when you sing up. So if you are given an order against said document you are aware that following said order could carry a punishment. So what you are saying is if it was not officially against the law, then it is ok for a TV trial and an assignation on another countries soil. Where are our justice values? O right, only Americans get those basic human rights.

The constitution does apply to military actions. If not please show me evidence of this. I mean the amendment that says that enemy combatants are the exemption. You can not use a law that goes against the constitution without an amendment. Nor can you just say that militiary operations are not covered by the constitution when it is that very document that allows for the militiaries creation I need to see the amendment that makes it legal to kill anyone without a trial of the evidence, by just calling them a terrorist and that is all it takes to get a kill order. No trial! that is a slippery slope at best if not a cliff.

In fact Army, since you have such a grasp of the constitution, explain how an army is to be used and maintained, as described by it.

You see to understand what the constitutions' intent was, and what it means to be an American you need to read it, and to read some of what those who wrote it said, before and after.


Thomas Jefferson's words on the future.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.
Thomas Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B93yn0O35Cw

George Washington

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government.
George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796


Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.
George Washington, Circular to the States, May 9, 1753


John Adams
But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.
John Adams, letter to Abigail Adams, July 17, 1775


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams, in Defense of the British Soldiers on trial for the Boston Massacre, December 4, 1770

Children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom.
John Adams, Defense of the Constitutions, 1787


Not a founding father but I think JFK said it best about the secrets our government keeps, and the direction we are headed if we dont wake up, and he was killed. It is scary how accurate he was in regards to what out government would become, and here we are today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

So I understand what it means to be an American, from the founders point of view. Do you?

I am willing to fight for it since I actually know what I am fighting for, and not just cheering on my favorite football team, the USA.

One last point about how far our nation has fallen. Our nations armed forces take an oath to uphold the constitution. How can they do that when most have never read it nor do they even know what it trully stands for. This in it self is a violation of that oath. They dont even know what they swore to protect! I found this completely dumfounding when I was in the service.

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

My second to last post in this very fun thread, I will let the syncs have it from here. I hope no one harbors hard feelings about our differences of opinions here as I dont.

[Ando]

Well crap I read cockerpunks first post all wrong then, my bad

As for your "if he was still alive" comment...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/al-qaeda-confirms-osama-bin-ladens-death-vows-retaliation/2011/05/06/AFFEtn7F_story.html

Al-Qaeda confirmed it. So I guess our gov has them in their back pocket too? Or maybe our gov is Al-Qaeda since it was them that planted charges and sent aircraft with rockets strapped to their bellys that brought the buildings down

Now that's heavy.

Edit:

And truthfully, I really don't care what some man said 250+ years ago. They lived in a different time. Worst thing they had to worry about was tossing tea off a boat because the British monarchy was giving them crap.

They never had to deal with what were going through now.

Read up on on the Authorization to Use Military Force Act of Sept. 18, 2001. Killing Osama was legal cause it wasn't an assassination of a political leader, it was a killing of a military commander and in military combat, an enemy can be lawfully killed even if he is unarmed. Under international law, bin Laden was an enemy combatant. International law is a whole other ball game.

[behemoth]

tl;dr

Hypothetical situation: Everything you say is true. All your tinfoil hat theories are true. 9/11 was an inside job. Osama was killed illegally.

What in the blue fk are you going to do about it?

Other than, of course, post about it on the internet.

[LK-13]

this just in...

Osama Bin Ladin is not Dead!!

Osama having grown tired of the hectic schedule of an international douche bag
has announced his change of vocation...

COMING TO CAESARS PALACE RESORT AND CASINO
OSAMA BIN LADIN AND ELVIS PRESLEY BRING THEIR VOCAL STYLINGS
TOGETHER IN THEIR ALL OUT MUSICAL EXTRAVAGANZA...

"BOX CAR WILLIE! A MAN AND HIS MUSIC!"

[hill160881]

Hypothetical situation: Everything you say is true. All your tinfoil hat theories are true. 9/11 was an inside job. Osama was killed illegally.

What in the blue fk are you going to do about it?

Other than, of course, post about it on the internet.

I suppose I will answer this one as it is easy one.


-I did not reenlist in the Air Force.
-I tell who I can, what our government is up to.
-I remain vigilant, so I dont need the government to rescue me like those involved in Katrina did.
-I study history so i am aware of what to expect, and am not blindsided when events get hairy.
-I am prepared for having no infrastructure or rule of law for a minimum of 5 years.
-I have seed stock saved to plant from.
-I have learned to make WHATEVER I want to with my hands.
-I study survival methods.
-My family has moved towards being self sufficient, and we dont need the system for anything, we grow our own food and produce our own milk, and cheese, have free access to water, power......
-I am ready to take back my country, reaserting the constitution and bill of rights, as soon as there is enough of us to make a difference.

What about you? O right your just going to troll this thread to see if you can pi** someone off and get a rise out of it.

[going_home]

Ammunition ?

Dont forget the ammo so you can kill some food to eat and protect thyself.

[behemoth]

going home, we get it, you've mentioned ammo about 15 times in this thread.

What do you shoot, anyway?