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  • Army
    Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

    • Oct 2000
    • 5785

    #16
    Just to clear things up: There hasn't been a draft in the US military since 1973. It will take an act of Congress to re-instate the draft, however, it has always voted to do so when requested.

    Like Sarah said, any ink that can be seen outside of a dress shirt (class "A" uniform), or outside of a sleeves down BDU coat, is not allowed. Tats that can be said to be racist, gang related, or offensive in the most liberal sense, can bar you from enlistment. Any ink applied AFTER you join, that can be seen, is grounds for UCMJ action, a hefty fine, possible stockade time, and a "Less Than Honorable" discharge, which will follow you for the rest of your life.

    Men cannot wear earings, studs, hoops, or implants. New regs allow fully shaved heads for men, and cornrows for women (only).

    The military isn't a popularity contest, lonely hearts club, or social awareness group. The military's job is to kill people and break things, and the US Armed Forces do it better than anyone.

    *EDIT* This was becoming a rather long winded speech. I had already written 2X the above, when I noticed I was becoming a recruiting poster. Army

    HalB, before you come across as a total boob, you had better check your facts:

    There never was a trillion $ surplus, that was a projected number from the Clinton admin. It was a speculation on how the economy was doing in 1997, and transposed inflated numbers to the year 2004. So, GW couldn't have spent a single dime of it.

    The top 1% of money earners, pay over 32% of all the taxes in the US. The top 5% of money earners pay 52% of all the taxes in the US. The bottom 42% of wage earners PAY NO TAXES AT ALL, yet will recieve a tax refund in April/May of every year. That leaves the 52% wage earning rest of us to pay for 48% of the taxes. Oh yeah, don't forget that Clinton gave us the largest tax increase in US history in 1993, it was twicw as large as the tax levied during WWII. Our economy is doing fine. We already pulled out of the recession that came around in 1999 (yes, during Clinton). The stock market is not a good indicator of the economy, you have to look at the GNP and overseas sales. The stock market will crash on a rumor, the GNP is the revenue from what manufacturers are producing and selling worldwide, and will do so despite the up-and-down stocks.

    The National Forest "Protection" Act, was a policy that stopped logging, road construction, or recreational use of national forests. This was a large factor in last years devastating unchecked fires in the west. With too much growth and undergrowth, fire was able to explode out of control for months. With no roads or access to the burning areas, an unprecedented flotilla of aircraft was pressed into service as water and Boraid bombers, with at least 14 crashes, and 13 deaths. All that lumber could have been used to build your new house, and all the wildlife that was killed could have been on your front lawn (just remember to pick up the poo before you mow it:))
    Last edited by Army; 12-10-2002, 10:49 PM.

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    • Gitaroo Man
      Desafortunadamente
      • May 2002
      • 1536

      #17
      Originally posted by Army
      The military's job is to kill people and break things, and the US Armed Forces do it better than anyone.
      LOL

      If we were going to war or something I would probably sign up...even though I am 16. I mean when I am 18 I would if I had the chance.

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      • mag-hatter
        OOOOOOOOO-RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
        • Oct 2002
        • 1069

        #18
        Originally posted by Havoc_online
        The draft is not a punishment. It's a chance to pay your country back for all it's given you when it needs you.

        If I were drafted I'd GLADLY go and serve my country.
        exactly!

        im not going to wait for the draft. im going out there after i get my associates degree, then become an officer in the marine corps and im going to do my country a favor!
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        • Rooster
          Registered User
          • Oct 2000
          • 1069

          #19
          Draft dodgers should be rounded up, put in one of those landing craft, and be forced take the first hit for the real American citizens who are serving their country. Its a shame people like that are allowed to live, while decent American citizens lay down their lives. If you can't see past a political party, get on the next boat out of this country, becuase you are just wasting our perfectly good air by pulling it into your lungs.

          The punishment for dodging the draft should be death, because its treason, pure and simple.
          Last edited by Rooster; 12-10-2002, 11:20 PM.

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          • RPK
            Registered User
            • Nov 2002
            • 195

            #20
            What I don't understand is why would we want our own men and women going out to fight a war against some other nation/country when we have our own disputes here in america. I think we need to solve all our own problems before we start fights with others.

            Let the man without sin cast the first stone.

            RPK
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            • aaron_mag
              Registered User
              • Jul 2002
              • 1375

              #21
              I'm not a Bush fan but I don't think if Gore had been elected the stock market and all the economic problems would have been amazingly healed. The problems we are currently facing were caused by over speculation in the late 1990 (believing the stock market and real estate prices returns would go on forever).

              For those that think the economy is fine I'd say get your head out of the sand. I'd say we have stabilized somewhat but it could still go either way. I appraise commercial real estate and hence study employment and unemployment trends all the time. The good things is that unemployment has not been increasing (and even decreasing slightly). It is still significantly above what we were seeing in the late 1990s.

              The other thing I'd say is that patriotism is good but blind flag waving patriotism can be bad. Nazi Germany was full of patriots who were willing to sacrifice for their country. As an old man (31) I don't have to worry about being drafted again. They don't want my worthless carcass. When it comes to supporting my country, however, I think first and throw my support second.....
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              • halB
                Registered User
                • Sep 2002
                • 953

                #22
                ROFL, ok ok, army ill be nice and just do this

                The National Forest "Protection" Act, was a policy that stopped logging, road construction, or recreational use of national forests. This was a large factor in last years devastating unchecked fires in the west. With too much growth and undergrowth, fire was able to explode out of control for months. With no roads or access to the burning areas, an unprecedented flotilla of aircraft was pressed into service as water and Boraid bombers, with at least 14 crashes, and 13 deaths. All that lumber could have been used to build your new house, and all the wildlife that was killed could have been on your front lawn (just remember to pick up the poo before you mow it
                logging makes forests MORE vulnerable to fire. selective cutting or clear cutting, whichever one it doesnt matter, it dries out the brush and ground, which is where the fires usually start. that "wasted" lumber is used by the forest as fertilizer, and the ones that burn either
                a) need it for the next generation of plants
                or
                b) are exotics and need to be taken out anyways.

                according to sierra club

                The Forest Service has concluded in several studies that logging greatly increases the risk and severity of fires.
                Forest fires provide habitat, food and nutrients to plants, fish and wildlife living in the forest.
                Areas with roads often experience more numerous and intense fires than unroaded areas.
                Logging interests and pro-business federal agencies claim that we need to destroy our wild forests to help prevent dangerous forest fires. In fact, the reverse is true: logging has been shown to multiply the risk of catastrophic forest fires. That's because timber companies cut down the largest trees, which are the most resistant to fire, leaving behind flammable smaller trees and piles of debris. As this report shows, we need to protect, not log, our national forests - now more than ever.
                fire suppression, not a protection of our forests, has led to those devestating fires, not an excess of timber. prescribed fires, or even just letting the fires burn and not interfering with nature is more effective, and necessary for the growth of the forest.
                Decades of fire suppression have resulted in a build up of flammable brush that can easily catch fire.
                now, maybe you'll go check those other "facts" you got there

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                • mag-hatter
                  OOOOOOOOO-RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 1069

                  #23
                  Originally posted by RPK
                  What I don't understand is why would we want our own men and women going out to fight a war against some other nation/country when we have our own disputes here in america. I think we need to solve all our own problems before we start fights with others.

                  Let the man without sin cast the first stone.

                  RPK
                  because sometimes you have to think beyond yourself. do you think we are going to war with saddam for no reason at all?

                  just today, there was a news artical saying that north korean missles were being sent to yemin, a key alli to saddam, but is currently brown nosing america. if we dont go to war soon, more stuff like this will get BY US and those missles will be striking you and me together. THAT is why we are going to war. if its not a good reason for you, then god help you when the tree you're hugging is blown to pieces. (jk on that last part :P)
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                  • halB
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 953

                    #24
                    oh honestly hater, you need to know saddam. saddam has killed his own brother, he has killed members of his own family for one reason. he wants to stay in power, he needs to stay in power. the only actions he has ever taken were to keep himself in power, or to make himself more powerful. saddam is NOT suicidal, and he is not stupid either. assuming he does have any weapons of mass destruction he knows better than to give them to terrorists, or to use them against us directly. he knows that if he does anything we would go in and kill him and take over.

                    however, now i dont know if that applies. if saddam feels threatened, if he is backed into a corner by bush with no way out, he will strike against us. however, if he is jsut left alon nothing shall come from him.

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                    • RPK
                      Registered User
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 195

                      #25
                      I don't think we shouldn't go to war, I just think we should fix our own problems first.
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                      • Rooster
                        Registered User
                        • Oct 2000
                        • 1069

                        #26
                        Yeah, becuase that same logic worked so well when Chamberlain was dealing with Hitler, didn't it.

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                        • ntn4502
                          Environmental Geologist
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 1637

                          #27
                          Thats pretty sad halb, our president isn't forcing you to stay here, you can go to another country and live out your life, Iraq for example...

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                          • aaron_mag
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 1375

                            #28
                            This is how much I trust politicians. If the President is a democrat I typically want the Republicans in control of the Senate. I trust them so little that I want them totally grid locked so that only the most common sense stuff can be passed.:)

                            Here is the deal. I think the US needs to protect their interests. That is very important. At the same time I can't stand Bush's "we are the police of the world" stance. The guy gives speeches about how we will pursue our interests despite what the world thinks. He says we will do what we want no matter what the UN thinks. This is nuts! Give the speech on brotherly love and friendship between nations. Then behind closed doors put the screws to the foriegn politicians and tell them they better cooperate. By being so darn publicy belligerent you back other countries (and I'm talking about our allies here) into a corner. They are forced to look like puppets to the United States rather than part of a team. It is not a good policy.

                            Maybe, however, Bush is right. Force of arms and a strong military presence really helped limit prolonged violence in problemed areas like Palestine and Northern Ireland (note sarcasm).
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                            • halB
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 953

                              #29
                              Thats pretty sad halb, our president isn't forcing you to stay here, you can go to another country and live out your life, Iraq for example...
                              and noone forced our founding fathers to stay in the colonies, they coulda just gone to canada or to the indians, or to the other colonies all over hte world. its america, love it or change it, not america, love it or leave it.

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                              • aaron_mag
                                Registered User
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 1375

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Rooster
                                Yeah, becuase that same logic worked so well when Chamberlain was dealing with Hitler, didn't it.
                                Totally different situations. Hitler was occupying other countries and Chamberlain was still trying to avoid war. The United States and United Nations has already showed Iraq that it won't tolerate it attacking other countries (Kuwait). I don't believe anyone is saying don't keep an eye on Iraq. I don't think anyone is saying don't keep a strong military presence throughout the world. Attacking a country, however, is a totally different thing.

                                And for ntn4502 the "love it or leave it" argument is one of the worst. This country is a great because we can disagree with each other and are free to believe and worship as we choose. Forcing everyone to leave because they don't subscribe to your exact view points destroys this country more than any foriegn power could ever do....

                                Sorry for the double post. Someone else posted while I was typing....
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