Someone tried to break into my house tonite

[halB]

yes, the majority of gun owners, yes

[petefol]

a person doesnt deserve to die because they break into your house, just incapacitate them.

[halB]

Originally posted by petefol
a person doesnt deserve to die because they break into your house, just incapacitate them.

i hope ur not meaning with a real gun, ur just as likely to kill someone by shooting them in the leg as you are by taking a shot in the gut. people, we all have paintball guns!!! a few shots to the head and groin will incapacitate anyone. we have non lethal weapons, so why get arrested and convicted for manslaughter?

[1stdeadeye]

WHAT??

HalB,
I was feeling bad for you. WAS.

Where did you get your statistics from Handgun Control, Inc.? Post them! I'll get you some great ones from the NRA to offset them. You are insulting a very large group of Americans who legally own and shoot their firearms. Your parents must have brainwashed you from a young age to be so anti-gun.

Also, anyone with a bit of firearms training knows to keep firearms locked up. Also above, I did not say go around and shoot them, I said rack the shotgun. That noise is much more intimidating then you cocking your Spyder.

I am going to leave you with a quote I gave you before-

Figures don't lie, but liars can figure!

Remember that before you go blindly quoting studies or figures.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by halB


ur just as likely to kill someone by shooting them in the leg as you are by taking a shot in the gut.
, so why get arrested and convicted for manslaughter?

What are you shooting poison bullets? You are not just a likely to kill someone with a shot to the leg. You are less likely to hit them as a leg is a smaller target then a torso. Police officers are trained to shoot at center mass for that reason.

You will not be charged with manslaughter in a case of self-defense during a home invasion. If they begin to climb those stairs to your bedroom level, anything is fair. Yes, you have a duty to retreat, but when you are unable to do so and the scumbag is still coming. Well then the only thing you need to worry about then is if the cleaning service will be able to get all the stains off of your carpet.

[SyntaxError]

Well, to provide some comic relief here, I have quite a funny story. Anyway, I was home alone this summer and a red minivan pulls up in my driveway, and this guy gets out and goes behind the back of my house. I'm on my computer, so I can see the guy walking down to where my basement door is, and since no cars were in the driveway they might have assumed no one was home.

At this point I am pretty scared, but there is NO WAY IN HELL that this guy is gonna kill me, right? Well I make my way out the back door (which in my house is actually the front door) with my uncle's old trusty Ka-bar knife, it was the only thing I had. I kinda slowly made my way down to where the guy was, and oddly enough he was fiddling with something next to my basement door.

Well I'm just a 15 year old kid, but I'm 6'0, 185, and this guy was smaller than me, and didnt look to have any weapons on him at the time. I rushed up and tackled him from behind and got him into a choke/sleeper hold on the ground.

It turned out that it was PSE&G sending around a METER MAN to check electricity usage, he was just checking our meter. Boy did I feel stupid. Luckily he laughed it off, and I apologized profusely.

This is why you have to be careful with what you do.

[bowser************]

lol u attacked the meter man

[Xerces]

Originally posted by halB
gimme statistics that guns save more lives then they kill then.

and how many of those redneck, yahoo, gun toting psychoes out there have even read the manual for their damn gun? u may have training, but ur a small, small, pathetic minority

there is the same principle behind all firearms. if it is your first gun, and you have had no preliminary training before, the manual will be very helpful. but to people who know guns(obviously not you) all they would need it for is disassembly and cleaning instructions if it is a gun they are unfamiliar with.

the way you talk about gun control makes you sound liberal, but the way you ignorantly generalize gun owners just shows you have no opinions of your own.

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edit-- found some stats for you.

Survey research during the early 1990s by criminologist Gary Kleck found as many as 2.5 million protective uses of firearms each year in the U.S. "(T)he best available evidence indicates that guns were used about three to five times as often for defensive purposes as for criminal purposes," Kleck writes. Analyzing National Crime Victimization Survey data, he found "robbery and assault victims who used a gun to resist were less likely to be attacked or to suffer an injury than those who used any other methods of self-protection or those who did not resist at all." (Targeting Guns, Aldine de Gruyter, 1997)

Most protective firearm uses do not involve discharge of a firearm. In only 1% of protective uses are criminals wounded and in only 0.1% are criminals killed.

A Dept. of Justice survey found that 40% of felons chose not to commit at least some crimes for fear their victims were armed, and 34% admitted having been scared off or shot at by armed victims. (James D. Wright and Peter H. Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous, Aldine de Gruyter, 1986)

Thirty-two states now have Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws providing for law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for protection against criminals. Twenty-two states have adopted RTC laws in the last 15 years. Half of Americans, including 60% of handgun owners, live in RTC states.

Professor John R. Lott, Jr., and David B. Mustard, in the most comprehensive study to date of RTC laws' effectiveness concluded, "When state concealed-handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell about 8 percent, rapes fell by 5 percent, and aggravated assaults fell by 7 percent. . . . Will allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed handguns save lives? The answer is yes, it will." (Lott, More Guns, Less Crime, Univ. of Chicago Press, 1998)

RTC states have lower violent crime rates on average: 24% lower total violent crime, 22% lower murder, 37% lower robbery, and 20% lower aggravated assault. The five states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. (FBI) People who carry legally are by far more law-abiding than the rest of the public. In Florida, for example, only a fraction of 1% of carry licenses have been revoked because of gun-related crimes committed by license holders. (Florida Dept. of State)

taken from http://www.nra.org/frame.cfm?title=N...www.nraila.org