The Official Iraq War Thread...

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by pbzmag
I wasn't expecting this gold plated German-made MP-5 submachine gun to be in a weapons cache!

Talk about anodizing.....:)

[cphilip]

Did you hear we found "air pistols" that had Cyanide pellets in them? Hope it was not any AGD stuff!

[edweird]

Well now that the US Military as moved to a new phase as the last major stronghold as fallen...

[lopxtc]

More Iraqi Golden Guns ....

Aaron

[HoppysMag]

wow... although the ak is a larger caliber the mp is by fdar better qualtiy... im at a lost here... power or quality

[pbzmag]

Remember the ocean liner that was hijacked where they killed an elderly man in a wheelchair? Well, U.S. commandos found the mastermind, Abu Abbas, in Baghdad. More here.

[edweird]

The AK-47 are usually chambered for the M43 7.62x39mm cartridge... A very potent rifle round

Hence the term Assault-Rifle


The MP-5 series is a diffrent class of weapon called a Submachinegun. It is chambered for 9mmx19. H&K the makers of the MP-5 have also released the UMP which is chambered for larger pistol rounds such as .40 cal and .45 cal

The MP5 and the AK-47 are diffrent beasts entireley and apples and oranges have more incommon then these 2 firearms.

But if you are asking about quality... AK-47's were massed produced out of stamped metal to facilitate quick arming of full armys. This rifle is best suited for large scale combat, but it lacks when it comes to tactical situations.

H&K is a company like AGD that prides itself of Quality over quanity. They have this luxury due to the need for Presision weapons for Tactical teams and the price they are willing to pay for it. MP5's are considderably more rare and much more expensive for there quality workmanship and speciality use.

[FESTUS33]

Show Me a pic of a gold plated PSG-1 and I'll be impressed.
I'm pretty sure Edwierd know's what that is.

Thank's for the link PBZ, Glad they finally caught the Barstid.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by edweird
The AK-47 are usually chambered for the M43 7.62x39mm cartridge... A very potent rifle round

Didn't the 76 come out with a 5.29 round

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by edweird
But if you are asking about quality... AK-47's were massed produced out of stamped metal to facilitate quick arming of full armys.

It was built that way, loose tolerances on purpose. Wasn't a question of quality, it was a question of operating full of mud, sand, horrible maintenance, neglect and all around abuse.

This is why it was so universally feared by our boys in Viet Nam, while the early stoner design for the AR15(16? army wanna clarify) was prone to jamming with the least amount of dirt in the mechanism, the AK47 would keep on working.

The VC loved it, they could leave it in tunnels and bunkers for months and knew it would perform when it was needed.

It was built and designed so well that it's still ebing copied and used by standing armies worldwide.

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by edweird
The AK-47 are usually chambered for the M43 7.62x39mm cartridge... A very potent rifle round

Hence the term Assault-Rifle


The MP-5 series is a diffrent class of weapon called a Submachinegun. It is chambered for 9mmx19. H&K the makers of the MP-5 have also released the UMP which is chambered for larger pistol rounds such as .40 cal and .45 cal

The MP5 and the AK-47 are diffrent beasts entireley and apples and oranges have more incommon then these 2 firearms.

But if you are asking about quality... AK-47's were massed produced out of stamped metal to facilitate quick arming of full armys. This rifle is best suited for large scale combat, but it lacks when it comes to tactical situations.

H&K is a company like AGD that prides itself of Quality over quanity. They have this luxury due to the need for Presision weapons for Tactical teams and the price they are willing to pay for it. MP5's are considderably more rare and much more expensive for there quality workmanship and speciality use.

thanks for the leason there... but i knew all that.

what im saying is i donno if id rather have the larger caliber shell or the better quality.


and although i cannot tell from the pic if its a milled body then its a 74 in the substanialy smaller shell of
5.54X39 mm. simmilar to the 223. trust me i know my guns

[FESTUS33]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Didn't the 76 come out with a 5.29 round

The AK-74 is chambered in 5.54x39, The same brass as the AK-47 but necked down to .22 caliber. I dare anyone to say different! I've been Gunsmithing since 1973!

[HoppysMag]

Originally posted by FESTUS33


The AK-74 is chambered in 5.54x39, The same brass as the AK-47 but necked down to .22 caliber. I dare anyone to say different!

just to make sure u know, the AK 47& 74's parts ARE NOT interchangeble. and the 47 had a stamped metal reciever anf the 74 was milled. and i dare you to doubt me cause thats dirrectly form an interview mith mikial kalashnakov him self!


EDIT: oops just realized by brass u mean the shell... i brain fart and posted that but i will leave it up for anyone else

EDIT # 2 : how can a 7.62 and a 5.54 be the same brass!

[pbzmag]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
while the early stoner design for the AR15(16? army wanna clarify)

The military version was called the M16A1. From what I read,the M16 was brand new and was not field tested. Majority of of soldiers in Vietnam either were not properly trained or not trained at all. Repair and cleaning kit were also non existant when it was released.

[FESTUS33]

Originally posted by HoppysMag
EDIT # 2 : how can a 7.62 and a 5.54 be the same brass!

It's an old American Tradition of taking a large shell, and swaging the neck down to accept a smaller caliber bullet.
In this country We call it WildCatting! Many WildCat Round's have become Industry Standard's over the Decade's
.243 Winchester is nothing more than a .308 Win necked down to 6 m.m., 7m.m.-08 is the same cartridge necked to Guess What!!. This trend can be used with any Base Cartridge.
Another example is Parent cartridge 30-06 Springfield
Necked up to .35 caliber is the .35 Whelen, Necked down
to 7m.m. it become's the .280 Remington AKA the 7m.m. Express, Next step down is .270 Winchester, 6.5m.m.-06 This is a .264 bore, Now We come to the .25-06, and Yes there is a 6m.m.-06. This does'nt even go into cartridge's based on this brass and caliber's with Improved shoulder angle's.
Needless to say these are only two of Hundred's of possible Base cartridge's. The possibilitie's{sp} are virtualy endless. it's taken me over 35 yr's to gain the understanding I have of the Art of making ammunition that I have and I'm just glossing the top of it here.
Sorry for the Thesis! But You Did Ask.
Rick