Marijuana Legalization; where do you stand?

[Conine]

Originally posted by cphilip
In the end something that you spend that much money on could have done great things for you life. So its not worth it to waste the time and money on it. Its not an opinion. Its a fact.

Few points:
- Just because you strongly believe it doesn't make it a fact. It -is- your opinion.
- If it were legal, it wouldn't be so expensive.
- I could name some 100 things in the world that you could spend just as much, if not more money on that could have done 'great things for my life.' it isn't a reason to make it illegal. Adults can decide for themselves what is and isn't worth spending money on.

And what experience quiting both of them do you have to say that? None. Trust me...I know. If you are a cronic smoker of Pot you will go through the exact same symptoms trying to quit that is you would tobacco.

I disagree. I go through periods of drug testing regularly where I have to stop using for at least 30 days. It would be harder for me to stop having sex or eating chocolate. Cigarettes, on the other hand, I still get cravings for when I see people smoking them. There is a difference between a proven physical addiction and a questionable mental addiction.

Oh common. Such a small percentage in that data base its ludicrous to use that argument. There are no good statistics on this one and I would suggest you not even try and go there.

Why would you assume that your position is correct just because there are no good statistics? My point is that it's a theory.

You may have wanted to blow right over the related death I pointed out to you. Doesn't suit your arguments but I do know that you need to hear that.

I didn't respond to it because you didn't mention the details of the story. I wouldn't expect for you to believe that marijuana saved someone's life if I said so and left it at that. In any event, it sounds like what happened was a result of someone DUI. When people say you don't die from smoking marijuana, they mean from lethal overdose, not irresponsible use. Otherwise, you could talk about cell phones, tuning the radio, yelling at kids in the backseat, or eating your Big Mac as causes of car deaths.
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[TheJester]

Re: Disclaimer: I do not and do not plan to smoke marijuana.

Originally posted by I_am_the_cheese
it was I believe Puritans wanting to practice their religion w/o persecution.

it was also the puritans who ended up practicing the very thing they fled england for....religious persicution (remember the Salem witch trials?????) they were more or less a matter of who was a "good christian" and those who had sinned, or didn't go to church every day, or was declared "not up to par w/ Puritan ideals" they were declared a witch and killed

[MagMan5446]

Originally posted by Conine


I didn't respond to it because you didn't mention the details of the story. I wouldn't expect for you to believe that marijuana saved someone's life if I said so and left it at that. In any event, it sounds like what happened was a result of someone DUI. When people say you don't die from smoking marijuana, they mean from lethal overdose, not irresponsible use. Otherwise, you could talk about cell phones, tuning the radio, yelling at kids in the backseat, or eating your Big Mac as causes of car deaths.

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I think he mentioned that she killed herself...

[Conine]

Originally posted by SprayingMango
I could care less what habitual users of marijuana on this board have said to me, anyone that needs a Controlled Dangerous Substance, such as marijuana, to function or feel good is of a weak mind and body.

Don't you think it's a little hypocritical that you had to ALTER your statement once you realized it covered alcohol? (and probably your own usage) Here's your original statement:

Let me also say that, anyone that needs an outside drug that is solely used as an INTOXICANT to function or to "let loose" or "feel good" IS OF A WEAK MIND AND BODY and needs to get a life.

No problem, legalize it and it won't be controlled anymore. Calling it dangerous is a joke.

You are all addicted, trust me. Denial is all part of the dependency your body has grown for the marijuana. Try not smoking up ONCE for 6 months. You can't do it.

Why would I trust you to know that pot smokers are addicted? Clearly you have no experience with it other than what you've been told. Here's something that I know you'll never believe, but it's the truth: I -DID- quit for exactly six months. Had to for a drug testing routine I was going through. Given the choices I had to make, it wasn't that difficult to do, either. I don't drink, either, so I was as clean as anyone in the world can claim to be during that period. It was easier than giving up sex or chocolate.

As I said in my last post, something such as Alcohol, can be regulated and the intake can be moderated in such a manner as to not cause addiction.

Are you saying that marijuana can't? How in the world do people ever try a joint once, not like it, and never smoke again? The intake can be moderated quite easily. Marijuana does have quantities like everything else.

Yes, people have a predisposition to become alcoholics, but the number 1 cause of alcoholism is depression, a pre-existing condition of mental stress.

Same reason why -some- pot smokers are drawn to weed. They use it to cope with depression. Later on, rather than realizing that they have a depression problem that needs to be dealt with, people wrongly say, "Oh, they're addicted to marijuana." Easy to just blame the plant rather than believe there are real issues to deal with.

I do not deny the medical uses of marijuana, but for years cocain was also used. And medicinal marijuana is used on terminally ill patients who are going to die anyway, which eases the pain.

I'm glad you at least have some compassion for the terminally ill, that these people are persecuted is truly sad. Cocaine is still used today by the way... that's why it's Schedule 2.

[Conine]

Originally posted by cphilip
But your claims its COMPLETELY harmles and COMPLETELY non addictive are false. I know personaly that they are. Nuff said

I would never say that it's completely harmless and completely non-addictive, but I do know that it's much less of both than it's made out to be. It's harmful in that you are inhaling smoke into your lungs. Less harmful than cigs which have a boat-load of carcinogenic additives. I couldn't say it's non-addictive, because it's enjoyable. ANYTHING enjoyable can be addictive. Hell, look at the number of posts next to some people's names and tell me you can't make a case for addiction right there! (And I bet you aren't always enjoying yourself here )

I don't know, is ANYTHING completely harmless? Hell, you can drown in water. Eat too many cheeseburgers and you've got problems. All I ask is that people be given -honest facts- not lies* to justify the means and let people decide for themselves. Then, if anyone uses irresponsibly, hold them accountable, much like we do today.

*(I'm not implying anyone on this board is lying, I believe everyone truly believes most of what is said in their arguments... by that I mean things like commercials that show a pot-smoker's brainwaves as being brain dead... they used a person in a COMA to get the brainwaves, but the ends 'justified' the means)

[Conine]

Originally posted by Demobilized
The reason alcohol has such a high number of deaths is because a huge number of people drink irresponsibly. So if drugs ever reached that level than all heck would break loose.

Thing is, if you're the type to use irresponsibly, isn't there a good chance you're smoking anyway? IMHO, DUI (with alcohol) is a much more dangerous situation than smoking in your bedroom while watching a movie. Unfortunately the laws don't always reflect this. I'd think if you casually risked your life and others while DUI you'd think nothing of smoking.

[Conine]

Originally posted by Wc Keep
this comes from a few friends of mine. one of which was my best friend for over 6 years of our lives. we all had prosperous soccer careers that demanded a lot of time and dedication. they decided to start smoking pot and it led to their demise. i felt really bad that one of my best friends didnt walk with me because he felt that his free time should be spent smoking up instead of concentrating on school. even now his life still isnt set straight.

Well, I can understand why given that information you'd feel that way, but can you honestly say that his life would be better if he had a criminal record? It's one thing to discourage use and warn about dangers, it's another to imprison people and give them criminal records for the rest of their lives. I don't see how that helps the situation. If your friend had a legitimate marijuana problem, he needed treatment, not the criminal justice system.

Also, if your friend had that many issues, I have to question what else in his life led up to the problems you mentioned. Many severely depressed people are attracted to marijuana. It's typically the case in drug rehab that people turned to using for some reason. Establishing that reason and dealing with it is the first step on the road to recovery. All too often people point the finger at the alcohol or the drug and ignore what else is going on.

[InfinatyBPS]

Someone needs to call SprayingMango back here and get him to admit that he is also weak minded. There have been pictures of him on here and he was obviously drunk. And notice as soon as he relizes that he is contradicting himself he edits his post. I wouldn't care, but he insulted me personaly then changes his statement so he wasn't included. How dare he insult us, when he is doing the same thing.

[bluepiz]

whered you find those pictures?

[InfinatyBPS]

Him and a few other members take pictures of them at partys after big games and such and I beleive it showed them drunk

[InfinatyBPS]

Nice little article I found.

http://marijuana.com/article.php?sid=6271&mode=nested&order=0

[1stdeadeye]

Good luck!

Originally posted by InfinatyBPS
Thanks deadeye, Ill do my best try this out when spring break is over

and Wc, I doubt the $20 i spen like a month is enough for a personal trainer... But I am going to start boxing this summer, or mabe a little sooner.

Good luck! Remember that your friendship is a privlage!

On the gym thing, talk to your parents. Many companies have medical plans that cover all or most of gym membership costs. I belong to Gold's Gym for free! My employer believes that healthy employees are cheaper in the long run!
Maybe one of your parents' employers feel the same way!

[datapimp69]

Originally posted by Xen
there is no benifits to leaglize it... so why bother, its just another thing making people even more stupid and retarded than they are now. It just gives another thing for lowlife, trailor trash kids something to do. Yes all pot smokers are trailor trash scumbags imo.

why bother,how about the fact that if you leaglized it and tax it, you could wipe out the natinal debt. NORMAL has the numbers to prove it.

so there is at least one good thing.

oh on the 5th year the gov could turn a profit, and maybe do something like lower taxes ?

well there may be 2 things.

oh, and the relief, that it can bring terminal ill patints.

well maybe 3 things.

and dont forget, the uses for the plant for everything ropes to clothes.

so maybe 4 things.

dont for get the fathers of our country ALL grew hemp.

ok im done for now, i think you can see where i stand.

oh and dont forget i live in a town that it is legal!

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by datapimp69


why bother,how about the fact that if you leaglized it and tax it, you could wipe out the natinal debt. NORMAL has the numbers to prove it.

Im not sure its that easy to "wipe-out" the national debt

[datapimp69]

please read the numbers

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4426