WHY is everything made in China

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
By the time I run for office, my "liberal" ideas will probably be considered just right of center. (But I will NEVER run on the republican ticket)

[Collegeboy]

More then likely I will not run on the democratic ticket either, but if I had to pick one, it would have to be democratic, for I can't stand the position of the republicans at this point. Who knows with the liberalization of the country my ideas might one day become the standard for the republicans.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
More then likely I will not run on the democratic ticket either, but if I had to pick one, it would have to be democratic, for I can't stand the position of the republicans at this point. Who knows with the liberalization of the country my ideas might one day become the standard for the republicans.

Our country is becoming more liberal?

The last Democrat to win the presidency did so by running to the right, not the left!

The last Democraticly Controlled Congress lost to the conservative Contract with America. They retook the Senate via a defection and then promptly lost it again in then next election. Getting more liberal, hardly! More polarized, definitely!

[aaron_mag]

Yes 20 years ago people people only had a smattering of knowledge on the world and on world views. They knew of a place called the U.S.S.R. but accepted what their government said about this evil land. They had few opinions on the world and had a very small world view. Now things are moving towards enlightenment and a few brave people are willing to stand forward and denounce the old world view....

Hope you caught the sarcasm there. I don't know where you get off assuming people were stupid, insipid, and foolish 20 years ago. This is the niave world everyone has been trying to tell YOU that YOU live in. Not the rest of the world. People 20 years ago were as smart as the people of today and believe it or not thought for themselves just as much. Reread Shartley's post. It is all there. Every generation thinks that they have some secret knowledge that was not known before. When you understand this you will see why statements like, "you were raised in the cold war and so have been subject to government propaganda about communism" both laughable and insulting. As if we didn't realize that people were people all over the world and concerned with simple things like food, shelter, and trying to get laid .

[Collegeboy]

I never said that. I was pointing out that what we know today about the world is alot more then what we knew 20 years ago. What we will know 20 years from now is more then what we know today.

I understand every generation is just as smart, it is the era they grow up in that shapes their views. Which is something you seem to be forgetting. In 20 years, do you think that someone who was around to see the twin towers fall, can accurately and truthfully give an honest history proof of the events that happened after it.

1de, the country gets more liberal everyday. What was liberal 20 years ago is conservative today. If you step back and look at the progress of this nation the country seems to take two steps forward and one step backwards. they have liberal gains then followed by a period of conservatism. Something which all countries go through.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
1de, the country gets more liberal everyday. What was liberal 20 years ago is conservative today. If you step back and look at the progress of this nation the country seems to take two steps forward and one step backwards. they have liberal gains then followed by a period of conservatism. Something which all countries go through.

So lighting up some doobies, burning draft cards, and love-ins are conservative now?

Damn that Rush Limbaugh, I knew he was hiding stuff from the American Conservatives!!!!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
1de, the country gets more liberal everyday. What was liberal 20 years ago is conservative today. If you step back and look at the progress of this nation the country seems to take two steps forward and one step backwards. they have liberal gains then followed by a period of conservatism. Something which all countries go through.

You are so clueless it's not even funny.

How conveniently you forget that this country was run by liberal democrats for nearly 45 years until the Conservative movement kicked them out in 96.

How conveniently you forget the fact that it is liberalism that gave us welfare, the social security debacle and nearly every single entitlement program we have today.

How conveniently you forget that this country rejected the latest crop of liberal garbage in the last TWO national elections.

Oh wait, you didn't forget...

YOU WEREN'T EVEN BORN YET.

How silly of me.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I understand every generation is just as smart, it is the era they grow up in that shapes their views. Which is something you seem to be forgetting. In 20 years, do you think that someone who was around to see the twin towers fall, can accurately and truthfully give an honest history proof of the events that happened after it.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by shartley

The Boy is a fountain of never-ending joy is he not?

He's unreal, by his OWN argument he says that no one who came before HIM can have a valid point of view regarding history, YET, he says that we don't understand the books he quotes, written by people that came before HIM.


MY HEAD IS GOING TO BUST!


Tell me Boy, what do the psychotropic drugs you're on taste like?

[aaron_mag]

I can't stand Rush and I don't like the current direction that the country is headed. We could start debating the current tax reform and if it will truly kick start the economy but what is the point? This is beyond politics.

The heart of what we are discussing is spelled out right here:

"By the time I run I would hope that the people are more educated then they are now or at least more open. For if your ideas or others ideas are the general norm in 20 years, then I feel sorry for our country."

You say that you accept that every generation is just as smart yet the statement above reflects that you do not believe them to be as educated. Hence people like FactsofLife, 1stdeadeye, Shartley, and myself have the opinions that we have because we are ignorant to the information that your education has provided you to. Now I ask you to once again to question why you always have four or five people arguing against you. Can you not accept the fact that people are not robots and can absorb the same data and come to different conclusions?

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife




You are so clueless it's not even funny.

How conveniently you forget that this country was run by liberal democrats for nearly 45 years until the Conservative movement kicked them out in 96.

How conveniently you forget the fact that it is liberalism that gave us welfare, the social security debacle and nearly every single entitlement program we have today.

How conveniently you forget that this country rejected the latest crop of liberal garbage in the last TWO national elections.

Oh wait, you didn't forget...

YOU WEREN'T EVEN BORN YET.

How silly of me.

You are so funny. 45 years of liberal rule, then a conservative uprising. Sounds like what I was saying. Thank you for proving my statement.

I am glad liberals gave us welfare, social security, etc...

The only reason the Reps won the last election was because of 911. Without it, they would of had to run on the same party as a VERY unpopular president. So to somehow rejoice in the reps win is to rejoice on the deaths of 2000 people.

No Shartly I am not changing my argument stance. I have been saying this for as long as I can remember. The whole growing up in the cold war and everything is directly related to this idea.

I said that as one without any emotional constraints. Of course a person who witnesses an event can give a great historical proof of what happened. But when judging the events that happen because of this (particularly the 911, and the elements of the Cold War), they are not the best for they are emotionally tied to it.

Again X, where in the world did you get that idea. I jus think you really am either jealous (of what I don't know) or something. Something has to explain your never ending crusade at one line insults against me.

The reason is, I don't think people read my sayings for what they are, they read into them what they want to. Example is your quote of me and how you took it.

In 20 years the people will be more educated for we will know more. Does that mean that the people today are ignorant, no. They are educated to the point that they can be. Saying that I hope that in 20 years when I run people will be more educated, means I hope that the conservatism movement of lets just keep things the way they are, lets don't question anything, things are fine as they are, change is bad (not all conservatives but these are movements of the conservatives) will not take hold, and people will allow to explore the ideas of what we know and what we don't know. Hence they will increase the knowledge of the world. So by the time, I hope that people will take in these new ideas and new ways of thinking of things, and be able to look at something like communism, and think of it without thinking of what people think is communism, but instead what is communism.

[1stdeadeye]

WTF?!?!?!!

Originally posted by Collegeboy


The only reason the Reps won the last election was because of 911. Without it, they would of had to run on the same party as a VERY unpopular president. So to somehow rejoice in the reps win is to rejoice on the deaths of 2000 people.

You are a very dangerous and stupid young man! For you to even post the above comment removes any and all credibility that you may have had!

Read up about the 2002 elections and get back to me! Maybe the Democrats lost because they had no cohesive message. They ran to the left when the country is more firmly rooted in the center. They were outspent on the campaigns. They ran re-tread candidates. The 2002 elections were a text book example of what not to do when running a campaign.

Bush was not very unpopular. He had positive job approval ratings before 9/11. After 9/11 his ratings went through the roof, albiet artificially! Bush has never had more negative then positive job approval numbers since coming into office.

You are posting hurtful and evil crap! Hey punk did you know anyone who died in the towers? Maybe you should ask some of their friends and family who they voted for and why! I am from New Jersey, we bore the brunt of 9/11 alongside New York. After NY, we lost the most citizens that evil day. MY COMPANY LOST 9 EMPLOYEES IN TOWER ONE! Granted I did not know them, but it still is close to home. My bank has run many fundraisers for their families since then, but I guess they are only p;laying up the tradgedy to skim some money!

I am done with you. For you to make a comment like that above shows how stupid, ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful, and flat out DUMB you are!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

The only reason the Reps won the last election was because of 911. Without it, they would of had to run on the same party as a VERY unpopular president. So to somehow rejoice in the reps win is to rejoice on the deaths of 2000 people.

You are beyond doubt a piece of human garbage.

I'm done with you.

[Collegeboy]

Re: WTF?!?!?!!

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


You are a very dangerous and stupid young man! For you to even post the above comment removes any and all credibility that you may have had!

Read up about the 2002 elections and get back to me! Maybe the Democrats lost because they had no cohesive message. They ran to the left when the country is more firmly rooted in the center. They were outspent on the campaigns. They ran re-tread candidates. The 2002 elections were a text book example of what not to do when running a campaign.

Bush was not very unpopular. He had positive job approval ratings before 9/11. After 9/11 his ratings went through the roof, albiet artificially! Bush has never had more negative then positive job approval numbers since coming into office.

You are posting hurtful and evil crap! Hey punk did you know anyone who died in the towers? Maybe you should ask some of their friends and family who they voted for and why! I am from New Jersey, we bore the brunt of 9/11 alongside New York. After NY, we lost the most citizens that evil day. MY COMPANY LOST 9 EMPLOYEES IN TOWER ONE! Granted I did not know them, but it still is close to home. My bank has run many fundraisers for their families since then, but I guess they are only p;laying up the tradgedy to skim some money!

I am done with you. For you to make a comment like that above shows how stupid, ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful, and flat out DUMB you are!

http://www.aeipoliticalcorner.org/WS%20Articles/ws011020.pdf

Without 911, Bush would have been a very unpopular president come the 2002 mid term election. Without Bush's round the clock spending of tax dollars to fly to fund raisers for his people, the republicans would have lost. Without 911, Bush would not even be considered for a second term, and a Democratic candidate would be a shoe in.

How did I know you would take an entirely true idea and turn it into an emotional idea. Was 911 a tragedy, yes 2000 deaths is not something that can be looked at as anything but. But the truth is, without it, the government would be totally different.

Another post where FOL says he is done with me, yet continues to post his one line insults. Plan on ever debating the issues X.

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: WTF?!?!?!!

Originally posted by Collegeboy

http://www.aeipoliticalcorner.org/WS%20Articles/ws011020.pdf

Without 911, Bush would have been a very unpopular president come the 2002 mid term election. Without Bush's round the clock spending of tax dollars to fly to fund raisers for his people, the republicans would have lost. Without 911, Bush would not even be considered for a second term, and a Democratic candidate would be a shoe in.

How did I know you would take an entirely true idea and turn it into an emotional idea.
Your opinion and the opinion of others does not equal truth or fact!
Was 911 a tragedy, yes 2000 deaths is not something that can be looked at as anything but. But the truth is, without it, the government would be totally different.

You post an editorial as proof.

You would not know the truth if it jumped on your face and gave you a lap dance!

You want Facts?!?

Here you go jerk:

9/11 Happened!
USA Kicked the crap out of Iraq and Afghanistan
The Republican party kicked the crap out of the Dems in 2002!

Your opinion is crap as far as I am concerned. Please do not address me again!