WHY is everything made in China

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I agree (as you will see in earlier post) that a country striving to reach communism can be called communist. But the thing is, China and the rest are not nor have they ever strove to reach communism. From day one they went the other way, never striving towards communism but away from it.

The second one just doesn't make sense. The name of the political party has no bearing on what you are. China is called the Peoples Republic of China, they are far from that.

[Collegeboy]

If you stopped caring, why do you continue to post?

AS to me disregarding what others have wrote, that is wrong. You all are trying to say that an authoritarian government that is pushing for more and more capitalization and a stronger government, is somehow pushing towards the ideas of socialism and lesser and lesser government, until in the idealistic realm, the government vanishes and everyone is happy. I post this, yet it gets countered with, yeah but they call themselves communist and the name of their political party is the communist party. When did that ever matter?

Hasn't anyone else caught on how when you lose a debate, and don't want to realize it, you always try and say I just like to argue, and why do I even care, and all that other mess you say.

As to why I care, it has no bearing on this thread.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
If you stopped caring, why do you continue to post?

Because I am drinking my morning coffee.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
AS to me disregarding what others have wrote, that is wrong. You all are trying to say that an authoritarian government that is pushing for more and more capitalization and a stronger government, is somehow pushing towards the ideas of socialism and lesser and lesser government, until in the idealistic realm, the government vanishes and everyone is happy. I post this, yet it gets countered with, yeah but they call themselves communist and the name of their political party is the communist party. When did that ever matter?

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Hasn't anyone else caught on how when you lose a debate, and don't want to realize it, you always try and say I just like to argue, and why do I even care, and all that other mess you say.

Etc. etc. etc. etc. LOL

Originally posted by Collegeboy
As to why I care, it has no bearing on this thread.

[71 LS6]

I agree (as you will see in earlier post) that a country striving to reach communism can be called communist. But the thing is, China and the rest are not nor have they ever strove to reach communism. From day one they went the other way, never striving towards communism but away from it.

Communist means aspiring toward communism.
A communist nation is one that aspires to communism. A communist party is one that aspires to communism. China is ruled by the communist party, therefore the government of China is communist (striving toward communism). If the government of a country is communist (striving toward communism), the country is communist. Unless for a country to be communist every individual in the country must aspire to communism, but this is not true; only the government need be communist, and that is the topic of discussion.

You are saying that China is not communist, because it is not striving for communism. This is saying that the government of China is not communist, which in turn says that the ruling power must not be communist. Therefore, you are actually saying that the communist party in China is not really a communist party. The other option is that you are saying that the communist party is not the actual party in control. In this case, I ask which party is in control.

China is not a communist nation... the country can not be communist for it hasn't reached and never will reach communism.

I agree (as you will see in earlier post) that a country striving to reach communism can be called communist.

I sense contradiction.

[1stdeadeye]

What's in a name?

Okay CB,
Then by your reasoning, North Korea isn't a communist state, but a democracy! Well their name is The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea which means they are a democracy right?

Did you read all of Sam's link? Even that auther admitted that many "communist" nations betrayed Marx's teachings! He admitted they were communist, yet you won't. How many published works do you have?

Oh yeah, your argument is I am right. Guess what, you're not! The CIA is a much better resource then you. China's OFFICIAL website is definitly a better resource then you.

CB Debate:

Me: I am Italian
CB: No technically you are an American
Me: I am of Italian Heritage
CB: No, unless your parents came off of the boat, you are of American Heritage

No matter what anyone says, you will pick and choose what you wish to respond to and ignore anything that does not fit your arguments.

That is why you frustrate so many people.

[Collegeboy]

No 1de that is yours Shartley's and 71 LS^ argument. Using your idea that the name of the political party means what government they are striving towards, it is only logical to say the name of the country is something they are striving towards too. Which means N. Korea is striving towards a democracy, and China towards a Republic. See how the name of something doesn't mean crap.

Are these countries striving towards communism. No. So they are not communist. have they reached communism, no, so they are not communist.

So you whole argument is they are communist because people call them communist. That is funny. I guess Bush is an evil dictator, I guess guns are bad, I guess the US is an evil snake of imperialism, etc........... I mean most of the WORLD thinks this, so it must be true.

I can't believe you actually are in this debate saying that because most of the world says something then they are right.

Again read that article Shartly posted along with other sources, you will find that guess what, they are not striving towards even the very basic idea of communism.

If you didn't know it yet.

Now is the time when you all admit that you were wrong.

[1stdeadeye]

Well?

Originally posted by Collegeboy
No 1de that is yours Shartley's and 71 LS^ argument. Using your idea that the name of the political party means what government they are striving towards, it is only logical to say the name of the country is something they are striving towards too. Which means N. Korea is striving towards a democracy, and China towards a Republic. See how the name of something doesn't mean crap.

Except that they have labeled themselves as Communist, we did not!

Are these countries striving towards communism. No. So they are not communist. have they reached communism, no, so they are not communist.

Maybe they think they are! Just because they don't live up to your ideals, doesn't mean that they believe they are on their way to communism. Who are YOU to judge them?

So you whole argument is they are communist because people call them communist. That is funny. I guess Bush is an evil dictator, I guess guns are bad, I guess the US is an evil snake of imperialism, etc........... I mean most of the WORLD thinks this, so it must be true.

THEY CALL THEMSELVES COMMUNIST. IT IS A SELF-APPOINTED LABEL, NOT ONE WE PUT ON THEM! THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!

I can't believe you actually are in this debate saying that because most of the world says something then they are right.

Again, the world says it because the Chines proclaim it. It is not some insult we are throwing at them!

Again read that article Shartly posted along with other sources, you will find that guess what, they are not striving towards even the very basic idea of communism.

He also left room in that same article saying that some countries are communist even though not living up to the ideals of communism!

If you didn't know it yet.

You still don't!

Now is the time when you all admit that you were wrong.

Not bloody likely! You boy are just flat out wrong. I'll take the dictionary, CIA, and China's own website over your words!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
So you whole argument is they are communist because people call them communist. That is funny. I guess Bush is an evil dictator, I guess guns are bad, I guess the US is an evil snake of imperialism, etc........... I mean most of the WORLD thinks this, so it must be true.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I can't believe you actually are in this debate saying that because most of the world says something then they are right.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Again read that article Shartly posted along with other sources, you will find that guess what, they are not striving towards even the very basic idea of communism.

If you didn't know it yet.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Now is the time when you all admit that you were wrong.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by shartley

LOL!

When I suggested this you gave me some good advice, now let me reply in kind. If you think giving in will get him to stop, what dream world are you living in?

[Miscue]

Nothing short of a reality enema and a few kicks to the head will resolve this...

[Collegeboy]

The funny thing is 1de, they are not my words, not my ideas of what a communist nation is or what communism is. They are the writers of the movement ideas.

The name of China says it is a republic, so because they call their country a republic, that must mean they are a republic.

The name of NK says they are a democracy, so because they say their country is a democracy, then they must be a democracy.

I mean using your logic, this must be true.

No Shartly I didn't say the entire world, I said most of it.

Does it matter that they used the ideas of communism to tie their people into their world, no. They never did strive to reach communism, they don't today, then didn't yesterday. So THEY ARE NOT COMMUNIST.

[FactsOfLife]

Isn't he special?

Never change Boy, we need anachronisms like you to point to and say, "See?, that's what the thinking was like in the 60's."

We need your example of what's wrong with the institutions of so called "Higher Learning" with their embedded socialists and commie wannabes.

Bravo I say to you. BRAVO!

I wake up and thank God every day your way of thinking is being rejected on a larger and larger scale with each passing moment.

Now go ahead, tell me that I won't argue your vapid nonsensical points.

And I'll tell you again, I'm done arguing with you. It's a pointless waste of time.

But please go right on posting your usual brand of spurious nonsense.

I need the laughs.

[Collegeboy]

Why would higher institutions have anything to do with calling something what it is and not calling it with what it is not. Where did I once say that communism was a good thing that we all need to strive for that the world would be better if we all became communist.

I haven't even once given my idea on communism in this thread or my own ideas of what it is, beside me saying that communism can not be reached.

So stop blaming people who think, instead of people who accept what the world thinks, as some commie, socialist person infected by the minds of the commie or socialist professor at the havens for all wrongness in the world.

What is so nonsense about asking people to find out about the names they so readily appoint to things, and to accept that things are not what the world calls them?

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
No Shartly I didn't say the entire world, I said most of it.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Does it matter that they used the ideas of communism to tie their people into their world, no. They never did strive to reach communism, they don't today, then didn't yesterday. So THEY ARE NOT COMMUNIST.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

So are they a republic or a communist nation. They say that their country is a republic, but their man party is the communist party. Which is it. You are so bent on the truth is what the majority thinks, so what is it. They call themselves both a republic and a communist nation (well not exactly but whatever)

As to world opinion of Bush and the US. I world have thought a man as worldly and experience as you would have understood how others view the US and our president at this time. Sometimes I think you just like to argue, you take the most truthful statements and try and argue thing. (Funny how things get turned around)