WHY is everything made in China

**71 LS6** · 06-01-2003, 04:38 PM

You are sitting in that "real" world, in which you can not accuratly depict it for you are in it. If you step back and see what has happened in it, and such, you might see what I am saying. I have seen far to many people go into that daily grind of "life", I have seen far to many times how it hampers their thoughts. You might think that it helps you see the world better. But it doesn't, it hampers how you see it, for you now are apart of it. What was the saying, to understand something, try stepping outside of it.

Look closely at your last sentence there. In order to step outside of something, you must first be in it. You have not been in it, and therefore have not stepped outside of it. You know nothing more about the real world than than those who are in it, in fact, according to your post, there are 2 steps to understanding it, stepping in it and then stepping out of it. You have not done either, yet you claim that those who have taken that first step know less about it than you do. But I'm sure you can twist your way around even that simple and obvious statement.

Where on that site did they say that they have reach communism?

My statement said, I am not sure if China ever said they have reached communism.

It did not say that they have reached communisM. It did say that they were communisT. For some reason, you refuse to accept the fact that these do not mean the same thing. I say to you again, if my Dictionary is wrong and it only pertains to individuals rather than countries, grab your own Dictionary and show us what communisT means when describing a country. You have shown you know what communisM means, we are talking about communisT. You have complained countless times that we all dont go and read Marx or Engels to understand the topic, so we must be ignorant. Yet you yourself have been asked to look up one word in a Dictionary to understand it, and you do not. By your own standards, you are ignorant. And do not tell me to go read Marx and Engels; I know what they say about communisM and what true communisM means. They do not, however, define the word communisT. You say we dont know what communisT means, because we havent read the works that describe communisM. However, communisM is not the same as communisT, and your only proof of this is to call the Dictionary wrong. I agree, we could learn a lot about communisM from reading Marx and Engels, but you refuse to open a Dictionary to look up communisT.

Here is an example of the fault in your logic:

You point to someone and say they are wearing an orange shirt (yes, the shirt is the color orange). I say that it is not orange, because it does not taste like oranges. Since I eat oranges often, and you havenever tasted one, I call you ignorant for not eating oranges, yet calling a shirt orange. You explain that you were referring to the color of the shirt and not its taste, and you even show me the definition of orange in the dictionary, where it explains that orange can also mean a color. I dismiss this, and say the Dictionary is wrong, because I have eaten oranges and know more about the word orange than the Dictionary. You then say that the man wearing the shirt says it is orange, but I say that I never heard him say it tasted like an orange. (In case you haven't been following along, 'I' in the above paragraph refers to CB and 'you' refers to everyone else.) Get the point?

**1stdeadeye** · 06-01-2003, 05:02 PM

HERE IS YOUR EXACT QUOTE!

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I have no idea if the Chinese government ever said they were Communist. I KNOW that they are not communist, but I don't know if they ever said they were.

Here is your exact quote!!!!

I posted the Chinese Government website where they do indeed label THEMSELVES as communist. Thus I proved you wrong.

Here again is the website and more specifically the section:

China's own website stating that they are indeed communist!

Try reading this and educating yourself to your own ignorance CB!

**71 LS6** · 06-01-2003, 05:06 PM

**1stdeadeye** · 06-01-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Collegeboy
But these people get paid for the knowledge they give. They are not a car mechanic or a banker being asked about something that is out of their background. As for your Whiz kid idea, read Into the Quagmire, you will find that most of the Whiz Kids (actually Kennedy's Whiz Kids), was against many actions in Vietnam. It was just the main one McNamara is was an idiot.

Yet he was the leader of the whizkids?

Where on that site did they say that they have reach communism?

My statement said, I am not sure if China ever said they have reached communism.

Read your post and my reply above!

What does your statement about what you do have any being on what communism is and what communism isn't.

It was a comment on perspective! You who bring anything you can to a debate should have recognized this!

Also how can saying a person's opinion lacks knowledge, insulting the person.

Whatever!

**Collegeboy** · 06-01-2003, 05:11 PM

So because the party in power is the communist party, means that the govenment have reached communism. (what about these european countries with huge communist parties)

**shartley** · 06-01-2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Collegeboy
So because the party in power is the communist party, means that the govenment have reached communism. (what about these european countries with huge communist parties)

**Collegeboy** · 06-01-2003, 05:31 PM

Read what I said. "I have no idea if the Chinese government ever said they were Communist. I KNOW that they are not communist, but I don't know if they ever said they were."

Where did I say that I know they didn't call themselves communist.

Hence why I asked, what makes the leading party being the communist party mean that they have reached communism. I KNOW that they have not reached communism (in fact I would say that we are closer to communism then they are. For an authoritarian government is the step before democracy and capitalism in the path to communism.)

**1stdeadeye** · 06-01-2003, 05:58 PM

Little free education for you!

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Read what I said. "I have no idea if the Chinese government ever said they were Communist. I KNOW that they are not communist, but I don't know if they ever said they were."

Where did I say that I know they didn't call themselves communist.

Hence why I asked, what makes the leading party being the communist party mean that they have reached communism. I KNOW that they have not reached communism (in fact I would say that we are closer to communism then they are. For an authoritarian government is the step before democracy and capitalism in the path to communism.)

Okay then I guess my post educated you about the self appointed title of Communist that the Chines government uses.

Now go argue with the CIA! It should be right up you alley as it is full of the acadamia you so worship.

Click here for the CIA description of China

This is where theory meets reality. The Chinese are acknowledged world wide as a COMMUNIST State!

**shartley** · 06-01-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Read what I said. "I have no idea if the Chinese government ever said they were Communist. I KNOW that they are not communist, but I don't know if they ever said they were."

Where did I say that I know they didn't call themselves communist.

Hence why I asked, what makes the leading party being the communist party mean that they have reached communism. I KNOW that they have not reached communism (in fact I would say that we are closer to communism then they are. For an authoritarian government is the step before democracy and capitalism in the path to communism.)

**1stdeadeye** · 06-01-2003, 06:09 PM

Hold on Sam!

Originally posted by shartley

But Sam, we are a "Republic" so CB must be right!

And when the Democrats are in charge he is still right because we are a Democracy!

Hey, I like his way of thinking. Now that I am enlightened

I'll never be wrong again!

Hey don't go bringing facts into CB's debates!

*Psst Sam, if we just start agreeing with him, maybe he will go away to "enlighten" the other boards out there!

**shartley** · 06-01-2003, 06:13 PM

Re: Hold on Sam!

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

*Psst Sam, if we just start agreeing with him, maybe he will go away to "enlighten" the other boards out there!

**Collegeboy** · 06-01-2003, 06:15 PM

Re: Little free education for you!

The CIA world fact book is wrong about Australia, it is wrong about China.

I could care less if I am the only one in the world who believes this, that doesn't make them a country who has reached communism. Again read what communism is, then you will understand. But you all STILL refuse to. kind of funny. Are you all afraid that you all will be wrong.

Calling one or the other the communist party does not make the country a country who has reached communism.

I will use the US all I want, it is true. The road to communism starts out with an Authoritarian government with a strangle hold on the country, then moves into a democratic government with capitalism. So the US is closer to becoming communistic then China is.

Thus why I say reaching communism is impossible, sort of like reaching a true democracy.

NO country has reached the stage of communism in the history of the world.

There are gray areas in communism, but if you would read what communism is and what it is not, you will find out that what China {edit (is)} can not be a gray area of communism.

**1stdeadeye** · 06-01-2003, 06:16 PM

Re: Re: Hold on Sam!

Originally posted by shartley

LOL

**shartley** · 06-01-2003, 06:28 PM

Re: Re: Little free education for you!

Originally posted by Collegeboy
The CIA world fact book is wrong about Australia, it is wrong about China.

I could care less if I am the only one in the world who believes this, that doesn't make them a country who has reached communism. Again read what communism is, then you will understand. But you all STILL refuse to. kind of funny. Are you all afraid that you all will be wrong.

Calling one or the other the communist party does not make the country a country who has reached communism.

I will use the US all I want, it is true. The road to communism starts out with an Authoritarian government with a strangle hold on the country, then moves into a democratic government with capitalism. So the US is closer to becoming communistic then China is.

Thus why I say reaching communism is impossible, sort of like reaching a true democracy.

NO country has reached the stage of communism in the history of the world.

There are gray areas in communism, but if you would read what communism is and what it is not, you will find out that what China {edit (is)} can not be a gray area of communism.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/hum_303/manifesto.html

**1stdeadeye** · 06-01-2003, 06:35 PM

Great link Sam!

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