WHY is everything made in China

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
No you and your side does not have an argument, but you fail to see that.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
So having strong morals is a pathetic thing? (Next time read more please)

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Again you place all blame on me. Yes I made the true statement that China is not communist. the you all took it and wanted to debate it. If anything, we are all kings og hijacking. But just like you always do, you try and blame it on me.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
1de, Once your realize that communism can not be practices since it is impossible, the better you will get.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I do look at both sides of the argument, you just have to have on for me to change my mind. You say that i do not look at both sides, yet you argue against me every time, never change your idea, yet you claim I am not looking at both sides. Kind of funny there is it not.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Don't worry about how this thread has turned out. Any thread dealing with anything like "politics" or in realation to it, normally turns out like this.

And for very obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I am not sure about China specifically, but I am pretty sure that none of the marxist following countries have ever claimed that they have reached communism. They might call one another communist as a title. But I am pretty sure, I know for sure in the USSR's case, that they would not say they have reached communism. In fact the USSR gave up on the idea of reaching communism under Brehznev.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
But what I said in that thread about the Palestinians was true. Most Palestinians are victums. ( I will end it there)

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Take a look at China, they are not going towards communism, they are going away from it. From the second they said that they will be communist they went further and further away from the idea. Mao started out decent, but power corrupted him, and an authortiarian, repressive government took place. Something that is far from what communism is.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Most people think that is communism, for they think that China and the USSR were or are communist. Once you dispell the myth that these countries were never communist, then people will have to change their whole idea about the system of government that has been tainted as evil for so many years by the west.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
When it comes to poltical debates it is normally me agianst those who post in these threads. No side moves on their ideas, yet I am said to be the one who fails to look on both sides. That is kind of stupid. My whole logic is to look on both sides, weigh ideas against mine and see how they can stack up. Do you all think that I haven't heard your ideas at one time or a other before. And at no time have they been presented in a way in which to change my train of thought.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I am such an easy target to argue against. I fall under the age old miss guided group. I am young, I am a high ed student, I like to read books and gain knowledge through them along with many other ways, and many other things. The funny thing is as a student of history, one will see that through out time, those like yourself, Shartly and others, have always used those arguements against people like me. And 9 time out of 10, the ideas of that "missguided person" turned out to be what was taught to the next generation.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
As people get older they turn their ignorance into stupidity. They go from acceptaing their lack of knowledge and willingness to learn new ideas, to always thinking they are right, unwillingness to accept new ideas. Maybe this change comes with the tendacy of life. The tendacy of the "real world", in which life hampers new thoughts, new ideas. Where you have no time to think different because you are working 50 hours to pay for food and clothing on 3 children a wife and pay a mortage on a 100,000 dollar 3 bedroom house in suburbia. Maybe it comes with the calness of growing older and a settling in on your ways. I don't know, all I know is that most of the time it happens. And every generation, the generation before tries to hamper the new generation's ideas. The only solace that will come from this is most of the time the new generation will come out on top.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Hopefully when I get you alls age, the world will think different then it does now. Hopefully the world will throw away the cold war ideas of wrong and right, and start thinking. The world is not black and white, it is full of shades of grey. Maybe this is asking too much of human beings, (well I know it is too much), but they what would the world be like without dreams. What is so bad about asking the question why. Why do they do this?

[Collegeboy]

What is the "real world?" Is it a 5 day, 40 hour a week job, where you have obligations to your wife, your children, and your debtors? Sorry that doesn't teach about anything other then how "life" can hamper thought. It doesn't make your more right to be out of school, and have this entire burden. In fact it goes against you, yet you fail to see this. Read my passage again about life. It is not going against me; it is actually against your idea of life and logic. What is the matter with being in college, having free time to free think, while not having to worry about the burdens of life? I would actually think that would be a good thing.

I am not trying to put myself above anyone. You have still failed to realize how I use the word ignorant and stupid. Maybe you need to learn how I use them (as I have said so many times), then go back and read them.

As for me asking you and other to read on the subject. We are talking about was China, and such Communist. I asked you to read to find out what Communism is, not what it is thought to be. But still you refuse. Is it that you are afraid that you will have to apologies for being wrong?

I was not trying to start a debate. Believe me, if I wanted a debate I would post a thread more debatable then this one. This idea and debate is a rather easy one, or so I thought. For it is a cut and dry matter. But when I argue against people who refuse to see the other side and actually find out what the subject is and is not, the argument goes on and on. I actually had more faith in you all then this. It should have been, China is not in communism. Then asked how did you get that? Then I post, what a communist country is, then it is over with minor statements after that. But no, you all refused to find out about communism, so you stretched this debate on and on.

I have certain knowledge of subjects, I think I am right on what I know (as do all people), until someone proves me wrong, it is only right to think you are still right. Easy as that.

You have no idea how I act, or who I am. All you know is how I post (which how you get that I don't act moral from my post baffles me). So don't judge me.

I have no idea if the Chinese government ever said they were Communist. I KNOW that they are not communist, but I don't know if they ever said they were.

The dictionary is normally right, but on communism it seems to be wrong, again find out what communism is, and then you will see it.

Yes it was proven.

See you fail to see something. The government said they were rising to communism. (Hence starting the process towards communism) But once they started the process, they did a complete 180, and moved towards a stronger government of authoritarian rule, instead of a non existent government.

[Jack_Dubious]

Hey...uhm..I was wondering....can someone help me define the term "concentration camp"?



/me ducks and runs.


hehe no really...i love watching you guys "debate". But does it have to be over the same 3 topics?!?! \

JDub

[1stdeadeye]

Ughh!!!

Originally posted by Jack_Dubious
Hey...uhm..I was wondering....can someone help me define the term "concentration camp"?



/me ducks and runs.

You had better run far! I am coming to bunker you! You are now on my list! I left a little picture in your wedding thread! Now we are even!


hehe no really...i love watching you guys "debate". But does it have to be over the same 3 topics?!?! \


We don't start them. I would rather debate him over what he thinks "real" life is.

[1stdeadeye]

Real Life

Originally posted by Collegeboy
What is the "real world?" Is it a 5 day, 40 hour a week job, where you have obligations to your wife, your children, and your debtors? Sorry that doesn't teach about anything other then how "life" can hamper thought. It doesn't make your more right to be out of school, and have this entire burden. In fact it goes against you, yet you fail to see this. Read my passage again about life. It is not going against me; it is actually against your idea of life and logic. What is the matter with being in college, having free time to free think, while not having to worry about the burdens of life? I would actually think that would be a good thing.

You have no idea what real life is! Yes, there are responsibilities. Yes, there is work. But there is so much more. You have families to worry about. Your love for your family colors how you see world events and how they may effect your family. That is not a responsibility, but the love you have for your family. It is not burden as you portray it, but a joy to have. I pay two mortgages, one on my house and one on my beach house, so what? I make a very nice living doing what I do, does that mean I've sold out and can longer think? Guess what, since I've been out in the "real" world, I bet I have seen far more of the rest of the world and it's culture then you have while in college. Right now, you are garnering book knowledge, when you join the rest of us in the real world, you will learn the practical application of that learning. This seems to be the thing that you are not taking into account.

"Real" Life no more skewers our perceptions of the world then college skewers yours. We are just looking at the world through different eyes, a fact you seem determined to ignore. I am willing to bet that Sam has seen more of the "real" world then either of us, yet to you that counts for nothing!

I am not trying to put myself above anyone. You have still failed to realize how I use the word ignorant and stupid. Maybe you need to learn how I use them (as I have said so many times), then go back and read them.

Yet you are still using loaded terms like ignorant and stupid. If you believe these not to be insults, derogatory and flames, then you are truly the ignorant and stupid one! You seem to enjoy using loaded terms deliberately!

As for me asking you and other to read on the subject. We are talking about was China, and such Communist. I asked you to read to find out what Communism is, not what it is thought to be. But still you refuse. Is it that you are afraid that you will have to apologies for being wrong?

Your argument would make sense if WE labeled them that thus creating the wrong perception. However the truth of the matter is that is a label they chose and placed upon themselves. Like I said before, go hit the CHinese Consulate and tell them to change the label THEY selected to describe their government!

I was not trying to start a debate. Believe me, if I wanted a debate I would post a thread more debatable then this one. This idea and debate is a rather easy one, or so I thought. For it is a cut and dry matter. But when I argue against people who refuse to see the other side and actually find out what the subject is and is not, the argument goes on and on. I actually had more faith in you all then this. It should have been, China is not in communism. Then asked how did you get that? Then I post, what a communist country is, then it is over with minor statements after that. But no, you all refused to find out about communism, so you stretched this debate on and on.


As I stated earlier: TRUE COMMUNISM IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ACHEIVE!! HUMAN NATURE WOULD NOT ALLOW IT!!!!!!!!!!

I have certain knowledge of subjects, I think I am right on what I know (as do all people), until someone proves me wrong, it is only right to think you are still right. Easy as that.

You have no idea how I act, or who I am. All you know is how I post (which how you get that I don't act moral from my post baffles me). So don't judge me.

Yet you have no problem judging others as ignorant and stupid! Hmmmm?

I have no idea if the Chinese government ever said they were Communist. I KNOW that they are not communist, but I don't know if they ever said they were.

Check out China's OFFICIAL website. Http://www.china.org.cn/english/index.htm then click on structure of the state for this: THe Communist Part of China (CPC) is the party in power in the country!!

Proof enough for you?

The dictionary is normally right, but on communism it seems to be wrong, again find out what communism is, and then you will see it.

The dictionary survived these hundreds of years by being wrong so often


Yes it was proven.

So says you. In our previous little debate about the CCs, the dictionary was right, and you were wrong yet refused to acknowledge it!

See you fail to see something. The government said they were rising to communism. (Hence starting the process towards communism) But once they started the process, they did a complete 180, and moved towards a stronger government of authoritarian rule, instead of a non existent government.

No, the Chinese Government does not say they are rising to Communism, they claim they are there. Look at their own website. Seems to me like you fight is with them for soiling the good name of communism!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
What is the "real world?" Is it a 5 day, 40 hour a week job, where you have obligations to your wife, your children, and your debtors? Sorry that doesn't teach about anything other then how "life" can hamper thought. It doesn't make your more right to be out of school, and have this entire burden. In fact it goes against you, yet you fail to see this. Read my passage again about life. It is not going against me; it is actually against your idea of life and logic. What is the matter with being in college, having free time to free think, while not having to worry about the burdens of life? I would actually think that would be a good thing.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I am not trying to put myself above anyone. You have still failed to realize how I use the word ignorant and stupid. Maybe you need to learn how I use them (as I have said so many times), then go back and read them.

[Collegeboy]

1de, where does it say on that site that they have reached communism? Just ecause the main party is the communist party, doesn't mean crap. One of the main parties in many European countries is the communist party, does that mean they have reached communism.

As to the "real world." Why do you think that when the government highers these analyst or any of these highly classified jobs were decisions are crucial to the world, that they hate to employ anyone with attachments, and such. Why is it that when the government needs advice on subjects, they don't turn to the "real" world, they turn to that academia professor, who by your logic is out of touch with reality.

You are sitting in that "real" world, in which you can not accuratly depict it for you are in it. If you step back and see what has happened in it, and such, you might see what I am saying. I have seen far to many people go into that daily grind of "life", I have seen far to many times how it hampers their thoughts. You might think that it helps you see the world better. But it doesn't, it hampers how you see it, for you now are apart of it. What was the saying, to understand something, try stepping outside of it.

They would be loaded words, if I didn't explain what they meant. I am not judging anybodies life and how they live it, I am judging their knowledge by what they post. Big difference.

[aaron_mag]

There is nothing wrong with being a college student or even a college professor. There is even nothing wrong with spending your entire professional career in academia. Heck I'll probably spend the rest of my working life in the financial sector which can be as surreal as anything.

The important thing, however, is to understand how the world works and what your place is in it. I don't have a problem with an accountant who doesn't work on his car because he understands that he makes his money as an accountant which is what he specializes in. He realizes that for him to figure out what is wrong with his car, find the part, and install the part is not as efficient as him working extra hours as an accountant and paying a mechanic to fix his car (of course if working on his car is relaxing to him on the weekend that is another story).

The accountant who doesn't work on his car because he thinks he is "too good" for that kind of work, however, is a moron. He doesn't understand that we are all one step above grubbing for roots and berries in the forest while trying to bring down a deer and finding the right leaf to wipe our butt with (sorry had to be graphic). The only thing that keeps from such things is society.

Back to academia....the professor who understands that he has the enviable job of teaching at a beautful college setting is fine. The college professor, however, that considers himself more "moral" just because of his job than the plumber that makes sure the poop leaves the campus and goes to the city sceptic system is a deluded fool.

That doesn't mean people can't criticize things in society or try to change things. Still it is important that people have some grasp on reality.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
As to the "real world." Why do you think that when the government highers these analyst or any of these highly classified jobs were decisions are crucial to the world, that they hate to employ anyone with attachments, and such. Why is it that when the government needs advice on subjects, they don't turn to the "real" world, they turn to that academia professor, who by your logic is out of touch with reality.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
You are sitting in that "real" world, in which you can not accuratly depict it for you are in it. If you step back and see what has happened in it, and such, you might see what I am saying. I have seen far to many people go into that daily grind of "life", I have seen far to many times how it hampers their thoughts. You might think that it helps you see the world better. But it doesn't, it hampers how you see it, for you now are apart of it. What was the saying, to understand something, try stepping outside of it.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
They would be loaded words, if I didn't explain what they meant. I am not judging anybodies life and how they live it, I am judging their knowledge by what they post. Big difference.

[shartley]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
There is nothing wrong with being a college student or even a college professor. There is even nothing wrong with spending your entire professional career in academia. Heck I'll probably spend the rest of my working life in the financial sector which can be as surreal as anything.

The important thing, however, is to understand how the world works and what your place is in it. I don't have a problem with an accountant who doesn't work on his car because he understands that he makes his money as an accountant which is what he specializes in. He realizes that for him to figure out what is wrong with his car, find the part, and install the part is not as efficient as him working extra hours as an accountant and paying a mechanic to fix his car (of course if working on his car is relaxing to him on the weekend that is another story).

The accountant who doesn't work on his car because he thinks he is "too good" for that kind of work, however, is a moron. He doesn't understand that we are all one step above grubbing for roots and berries in the forest while trying to bring down a deer and finding the right leaf to wipe our butt with (sorry had to be graphic). The only thing that keeps from such things is society.

Back to academia....the professor who understands that he has the enviable job of teaching at a beautful college setting is fine. The college professor, however, that considers himself more "moral" just because of his job than the plumber that makes sure the poop leaves the campus and goes to the city sceptic system is a deluded fool.

That doesn't mean people can't criticize things in society or try to change things. Still it is important that people have some grasp on reality.

I agree. Good post.

[gamarada717]

I think shartley just won the award for longest post.

[shartley]

Originally posted by gamarada717
I think shartley just won the award for longest post.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
There is nothing wrong with being a college student or even a college professor. There is even nothing wrong with spending your entire professional career in academia. Heck I'll probably spend the rest of my working life in the financial sector which can be as surreal as anything.

The important thing, however, is to understand how the world works and what your place is in it. I don't have a problem with an accountant who doesn't work on his car because he understands that he makes his money as an accountant which is what he specializes in. He realizes that for him to figure out what is wrong with his car, find the part, and install the part is not as efficient as him working extra hours as an accountant and paying a mechanic to fix his car (of course if working on his car is relaxing to him on the weekend that is another story).

The accountant who doesn't work on his car because he thinks he is "too good" for that kind of work, however, is a moron. He doesn't understand that we are all one step above grubbing for roots and berries in the forest while trying to bring down a deer and finding the right leaf to wipe our butt with (sorry had to be graphic). The only thing that keeps from such things is society.

Back to academia....the professor who understands that he has the enviable job of teaching at a beautful college setting is fine. The college professor, however, that considers himself more "moral" just because of his job than the plumber that makes sure the poop leaves the campus and goes to the city sceptic system is a deluded fool.

That doesn't mean people can't criticize things in society or try to change things. Still it is important that people have some grasp on reality.

I agree 100%

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
1de, where does it say on that site that they have reached communism? Just ecause the main party is the communist party, doesn't mean crap. One of the main parties in many European countries is the communist party, does that mean they have reached communism.

It doesn't fool! It answers your question:I have no idea if the Chinese government ever said they were communist. You words, not mine. This is what drives everyone crazy about you. You post a fact or opinion, then once it is disproved, you try and twist the response. I posted China's Offical website to correct your "ignorance" on the subject you posted about. Now don't be "stupid" and not learn about it!

As to the "real world." Why do you think that when the government highers these analyst or any of these highly classified jobs were decisions are crucial to the world, that they hate to employ anyone with attachments, and such. Why is it that when the government needs advice on subjects, they don't turn to the "real" world, they turn to that academia professor, who by your logic is out of touch with reality.

You really are a fool! Where do you think most cabinet level apointees come from? The real world. Guess what? That college professor who becomes an analyst is part of the real world. He is working to earn a living to pay for that $100,000 house (BTW if you can find me a home for $100,000 in NJ, please post the address as it would be a great investment *Camden, NJ excluded). The key to the real world is working. College professors go to work just like the rest of us. Hey where did the treasury secretary come from? Oh yeah from the same financial field the both AM and I work in. Where did the secretary of defense come from? Oh yeah the real world. We are far removed from the days of LBJ and his "Whizkids". Those acadamia did a great job running Vietnam didn't they?

I am not trying to belittle acadamia, but realize that without the "real" world experience as you put it, nothing would work. We are all part of the chain. That is what I meant by the real world. When you graduate, you will better understand, whether you become a professor, a civil servant or even a communist!

You are sitting in that "real" world, in which you can not accuratly depict it for you are in it. If you step back and see what has happened in it, and such, you might see what I am saying. I have seen far to many people go into that daily grind of "life", I have seen far to many times how it hampers their thoughts. You might think that it helps you see the world better. But it doesn't, it hampers how you see it, for you now are apart of it. What was the saying, to understand something, try stepping outside of it.

You are "ignorant" of what I do. I have to follow the world very closely. I am a VP and Commercial Lender in the Middle Market area of the United States 7th largest Bank! More then 3/4 of my clients do business abroad. When deciding on their loan covenants and pricing, guess what? I NEED to know the risks. Guess who are my happiest clients right now? The clients that we locked into foreign currency prices 6 months ago with a 1 year contract. With the Euro so high right now, they are making a much higher return because we reccommended they buy 1 year Euro/Dollar purchase contracts to protect their margins. But I guess you are right, I have a myopic view of the world colored by my 9 to 5 job.

They would be loaded words, if I didn't explain what they meant. I am not judging anybodies life and how they live it, I am judging their knowledge by what they post. Big difference.

No there is not. That is like me saying, that you are wearing the ugliest shirt in the world, but no offense. You can not insult a person's opinion and then say it is their view you are insulting and not them.

[Collegeboy]

But these people get paid for the knowledge they give. They are not a car mechanic or a banker being asked about something that is out of their background. As for your Whiz kid idea, read Into the Quagmire, you will find that most of the Whiz Kids (actually Kennedy's Whiz Kids), was against many actions in Vietnam. It was just the main one McNamara is was an idiot.

Where on that site did they say that they have reach communism?

My statement said, I am not sure if China ever said they have reached communism.

What does your statement about what you do have any being on what communism is and what communism isn't.

Also how can saying a person's opinion lacks knowledge, insulting the person.