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Originally posted by KHartley
Viral:
I have a bit of a problem with you calling my daughter "lazy". She is far from it. She was also not "rewarded" for not attending school.

Mrs. Hartley,
In my last post, I mentioned that, in my experience, most kids that are home schooled are done so because they had "problems" in public school. Sam's original post mentioned that this is exactly why your daughter is now homeschooled as well. I feel like society has become so numb to this that they simply paint laziness with new labels. Call it ADD, boredom or non-interest, none of those are excuses for failing public school. In my opinion, anyone (not you or your family specifically) that uses this as an excuse for why their child is failing school and needs to be home schooled is fooling themselves.

Originally posted by KHartley
I do believe that just because you had a bad experience with home schooling (or your sister) that you shouldn't judge all home schooled kids.

Some might read my story and say "Oh well, that's a unique circumstance and you can't possibly compare it other homeschool stories." But to me, ALL home school stories are a unique circumstance. The Dept of Education states that there are approx 850,000 homeschoolers , or a little over 1% of all students in the US. That's an incredibly small percent. And when you take away those that are home schooled for religeous/moral reasons, the majority of whats left is problem students or problem schools.

Originally posted by KHartley
I chose to go through a private school to get my material. The kids were far above the "public school" intellect when they returned. They loved home schooling. They could get up and go to "school" in their pj's, they went to the bathroom and ate when they were hungry.

Why did you choose a private school to get your material? Do you have some deeper underlying issues with your particular public school? So if home schooling was so much better for your children, as it obviously was from this statement, and they loved it so much, why did you stop? If it worked part of the time, why not all the time?

Originally posted by KHartley
And, as far as Sam coming on here on his "soap box"....I think that you did that quite well.

I was merely poking fun at shartley for loudly brandishing that he was not going to debate this topic, quickly followed up by a half-dozen or so posts doing just that. He's obviously more than welcome to post anything he wants on here. It was just funny because he's sort of infamous on AO for his soap-box stances

I will apologize to you too for offending you. Once again, it was not my intention to single your family out, it was a generalization about homeschooling, in particular to "fix" a problem child, which I will always be against.

--Viral

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Originally posted by ShooterJM
A note on home schooling.

I was home schooled. My mom pulled my sister and I out of public school shortly after I finished the first grade. How were my grades? Not good, my mom still has my first grade report card with crappy grades because she thinks it's hilarious. Was I lazy? No I was bored. I got to sit through a bunch of first graders trying to learn the finer points of reading when I was reading civil war books in kindergarden. There is a distinct difference between laziness and boredom. I also was on many club swim teams and soccer teams.

I was also advanced for my grade throughout school and quite bored most of the time watching the kids around me struggle with concepts that seemed mind-numbingly simple to me. But you know what? I just learned what the teacher wanted me to learn, breezed though homework assignments, aced my tests, then pulled out a book and read while the rest of the class finished up. I didn't fail school because I wasn't challanged. That's rediculous to me. I got a great education, made great grades and did fairly well on the ACT (32), all while being extremely bored through most of school, even the AP classes.

Originally posted by ShooterJM
home schooling, when done properly, encourages learning better then public schooling.

Since I wasn't home schooled, I can't attest to that. But I can say that your sentence should have read 'encourages learning better than public schooling'

--Viral

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Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Hey Viral,

Another term for lack of interest would be Boredom or disinterested.

I cruised through high shool without cracking a book til my senior year. That is when I went to my local community college to take AP classes. Why? I was a discipline problem because I would fall asleep in class, yet still ace it. Why... sheer boredom!

You prove my point. Like me, you were bored with school. Disinterested. You were even labeled a "problem child" because your ability to absorb the material in less than the alloted amount of time caused you to be bored and fall asleep. But the big difference is, you didn't fail out of school. You aced it, then you looked elsewhere for a bigger challange to fight the boredom. Now THAT is a solution! I applaude you for that. You didn't use that boredom or "lack of interest" as an excuse to become lazy and fail your classes. That is exactly the difference I'm referring to.

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Congrats on being in the 6 figure income range. I needed a college degree to get there though! Money doesn't always make us right. If it did, think about the smackdown I could lay on CollegeBoy!

I wish I hadn't mentioned that because I agree. The amount of money you make has no bearing on your intelligence or the life you lead. I'm just sick and tired of this new generation of kids that seem to be born underacheivers. There's absolutely no reason you can't go to Barnes And Noble, pick up a book, learn a trade and make yourself a better person in life. To me, a six figure income is no more of a goal than $13/hour. I have a built-in desire to be smarter and better tomorrow than I am today. If that earns me more money, great. If not, then I'm still smarter than I was yesterday...

--Viral

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Viral

I was also advanced for my grade throughout school and quite bored most of the time watching the kids around me struggle with concepts that seemed mind-numbingly simple to me. But you know what? I just learned what the teacher wanted me to learn, breezed though homework assignments, aced my tests, then pulled out a book and read while the rest of the class finished up. I didn't fail school because I wasn't challanged. That's rediculous to me. I got a great education, made great grades and did fairly well on the ACT (32), all while being extremely bored through most of school, even the AP classes.

Since I wasn't home schooled, I can't attest to that. But I can say that your sentence should have read 'encourages learning better than public schooling'

--Viral

I wouldn't have failed because I wasn't challenged, but I wouldn't have learned as much. Instead of reading 2nd grade material in public schools I got to dissect sharks. Instead of listening to some teacher lecture about the Civil War I got to actually visit the battlefields as well. What's the point of "breezing" through school?

[shartley]

I know this was addressed to my Wife, but I will answer..

Originally posted by Viral
Mrs. Hartley,
In my last post, I mentioned that, in my experience, most kids that are home schooled are done so because they had "problems" in public school. Sam's original post mentioned that this is exactly why your daughter is now homeschooled as well. I feel like society has become so numb to this that they simply paint laziness with new labels. Call it ADD, boredom or non-interest, none of those are excuses for failing public school. In my opinion, anyone (not you or your family specifically) that uses this as an excuse for why their child is failing school and needs to be home schooled is fooling themselves.

Originally posted by Viral
Some might read my story and say "Oh well, that's a unique circumstance and you can't possibly compare it other homeschool stories." But to me, ALL home school stories are a unique circumstance. The Dept of Education states that there are approx 850,000 homeschoolers , or a little over 1% of all students in the US. That's an incredibly small percent. And when you take away those that are home schooled for religeous/moral reasons, the majority of whats left is problem students or problem schools.

Originally posted by Viral
Why did you choose a private school to get your material? Do you have some deeper underlying issues with your particular public school? So if home schooling was so much better for your children, as it obviously was from this statement, and they loved it so much, why did you stop? If it worked part of the time, why not all the time?

Originally posted by Viral
I was merely poking fun at shartley for loudly brandishing that he was not going to debate this topic, quickly followed up by a half-dozen or so posts doing just that. He's obviously more than welcome to post anything he wants on here. It was just funny because he's sort of infamous on AO for his soap-box stances

Originally posted by Viral
I will apologize to you too for offending you. Once again, it was not my intention to single your family out, it was a generalization about homeschooling, in particular to "fix" a problem child, which I will always be against.

--Viral

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Fair enough. I'll unsubscribe from this thread.

--Viral

[1stdeadeye]

He he he

Originally posted by Viral

You prove my point. Like me, you were bored with school. Disinterested. You were even labeled a "problem child" because your ability to absorb the material in less than the alloted amount of time caused you to be bored and fall asleep. But the big difference is, you didn't fail out of school. You aced it, then you looked elsewhere for a bigger challange to fight the boredom. Now THAT is a solution! I applaude you for that. You didn't use that boredom or "lack of interest" as an excuse to become lazy and fail your classes. That is exactly the difference I'm referring to.

Actually I snored in class. Teacher didn't like that. I became so bored that it drove me nuts, but that is because I am a very active person. I didn't seek out the challenge of AP classes, My folks and guidence counsletr decided on them for me!

My parents being very aggressive with my education kept me from getting further into trouble. I also went to a private Catholic high school. I don't know if the public schools would have looked for other solutions for me or just labeled me and moved on.

I wish I hadn't mentioned that because I agree. The amount of money you make has no bearing on your intelligence or the life you lead. I'm just sick and tired of this new generation of kids that seem to be born underacheivers. There's absolutely no reason you can't go to Barnes And Noble, pick up a book, learn a trade and make yourself a better person in life. To me, a six figure income is no more of a goal than $13/hour. I have a built-in desire to be smarter and better tomorrow than I am today. If that earns me more money, great. If not, then I'm still smarter than I was yesterday...

--Viral

Good goal to have! However, I still like money making right! Thus I can use that theorm to always defeat the evil CollegeBoy! Bwahahahahahahaha!

[FactsOfLife]

Re: He he he

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

I wish I hadn't mentioned that because I agree. The amount of money you make has no bearing on your intelligence or the life you lead. I'm just sick and tired of this new generation of kids that seem to be born underacheivers. There's absolutely no reason you can't go to Barnes And Noble, pick up a book, learn a trade and make yourself a better person in life. To me, a six figure income is no more of a goal than $13/hour. I have a built-in desire to be smarter and better tomorrow than I am today. If that earns me more money, great. If not, then I'm still smarter than I was yesterday...

--Viral

Good goal to have! However, I still like money making right! Thus I can use that theorm to always defeat the evil CollegeBoy! Bwahahahahahahaha! [/B]

Viral makes a valid point there.

And yes, anything to thwart the vile clutches of The Boy is a good thing.

(man I can NOT wait for the 24/7 court tv coverage of M. Stewart)

[MagMan5446]

Wow, everybody here is so much smarter than me.

What's "smart"? It can be many different things, drugs for example, will make one smarter in a sense.

The most important thing is experience, unless you're looking to make money in life. All you need then is the right connections and to kiss some ***.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Viral
I'm just sick and tired of this new generation of kids that seem to be born underacheivers.
--Viral

Oh please! Every generation feels that way about the previous generation. We look at the next generation and can't believe how incompetent they are. Of course we couldn't afford to be incompetent (we were the opposite of incompetent or outcompetent) since we had to walk uphill both ways to school in the snow.

Current generation is just as smart, gifted, and driven as any before. As a matter of fact some have argued on this board that previous generations were all mindless drones that were slaves to cold war politics and thinking. So if you take that view this new generation is the first one that is looking at the world with clear eyes and will save us from our ignorance (note sarcasm)

[1stdeadeye]

Okay!

Originally posted by aaron_mag

Current generation is just as smart, gifted, and driven as any before. As a matter of fact some have argued on this board that previous generations were all mindless drones that were slaves to cold war politics and thinking. So if you take that view this new generation is the first one that is looking at the world with clear eyes and will save us from our ignorance (note sarcasm)

Noooooo!

Collegeboy is gone on vacation! Do not dare attempt to take his place! You are nowhere near enlightened enough to do so!

[Dubstar112]

Originally posted by Army
I'll say it for you Sam:)

"Government mandated racism"

Affirmative Action can kiss my non-prejudicial butt

Agreed.