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  • Albinonewt
    Team Icky Forest
    • Apr 2003
    • 2456

    #16
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
    How is Saudi Arabia the best place to start making friends in the middle east?

    Because they're the only nation with a large enough strategic reserve. It's not that they're the friendliest or anything, it's simply that to get have the reserve we need to be confortable we either need Saudi Arabie as an ally, or two or three other allies. And it's easier to have just one.[/b]

    Like, why did we attack Afganistan, and why after the talliban was over with, we put in a pro US government, and then the pipe line that the Talliban have been saying no too, just all of a sudden got approved.

    The government is pro-America (largely, but not completely) because we gave them their country back. It's not that we went outo f our way to find the 8 guys in Afghanistan that like us, it's just that popular opinion is (for the time being) largely pro-American because we deposed the people oppressing them. AS for why Afghanistan, because that's where the people that attacked us were. It was nothing against the people of the country, but the bad guys that lived there and the regime that harbored them.

    Like, why did we attack Iraq, and why are we trying to say that Iran is trying to aquire nuclear weapons, when all they are doing is making a nuclear power plant, backed by the Russians, and now the US wants to make a nuclear plant in Iraq.

    Because Saddam had to go. He oppressed his people. He threatened stability. He invaded his neighbors. He may have had, or been in the process of aquiring, contacts with terrorists (remember all the terrorists we've found in Iraq) to deliver strikes against the west. He had to go. And Iran IS trying to develop nuclear weapons. They clearly are and have been for a very long time. There are two reasons. First, they're bad people and they want a bomb for power and export. Two, they fear Israel. They know that they can't ever support an attack against a nuclear armed Israel without some juice of their own. As for a nuclear plant in Iraq, I hadn't heard that one. I'm intersted though so I'll look into it.

    ALot of things don't make since, but bring it up, you are said to be a conspiracy theorist, crazy, unamerican, or what ever words being like to throw out to try and justify their beliefs.

    Wait a sec, there's a big difference between asking questions (what you just did) and screaming that the President is killing babies for oil and wishing for a thousand Mogadishus and so forth. Those people are unamerican, the people that wish for the defeat of their home. People that are curious why the Taliban needed deafeating are simply curious, nothing wrong with that.
    Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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    • Star_Base_CGI
      Official Trekkie, Kirk Spy
      • Dec 2002
      • 778

      #17
      I agree with the whole US Invasion thing coming.

      I agree it would be a joke. Not sure how they would put landing forces in America. Probably CHina on 747s or submarines or cargo ships.

      Maybe the Tacmars are directions on for us to get weapons to fight off world war three or maybe there directions for us to goto the slaughter house...

      The Tacmars are up..

      Whats next.

      Oh heck lets go play paintball.
      All your farm animals are belong to us.

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      • Albinonewt
        Team Icky Forest
        • Apr 2003
        • 2456

        #18
        Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
        I agree with the whole US Invasion thing coming.

        I agree it would be a joke. Not sure how they would put landing forces in America. Probably CHina on 747s or submarines or cargo ships.
        Frankly, impossible. China lacks the naval and air capablity to invade Taiwan, which is only a stones throw away. Fear not a land invasion from China. Not only will it NOT happen, but frankly it cannot happen.

        Remember, the bulk of the rest of the world has all their "enemies" touching their borders, which means they've simply never need to maintain the transportation capablities that we have. Since we never fight our wars in Mexico and Canada we've needed (for the past 100 years or so) to be able to fight thousands of miles away across an ocean. Nobody else has to do that, and nobody else really could (arguebaly the British, but they lack the manpower to invade us, and a reason to do it)
        Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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        • 1stdeadeye
          Still around????
          • Jun 2002
          • 8501

          #19
          Conspiracy Theory!!!

          Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
          I agree with the whole US Invasion thing coming.

          I agree it would be a joke. Not sure how they would put landing forces in America. Probably CHina on 747s or submarines or cargo ships.


          Please tell me you are kidding! I did not see any , so I don't know. No country has EVER successfully invaded America! Successfully does not mean landing and fighting a battle, it means capturing and conquering. We have repulsed all who have tried.

          Any attempted invasion would unleash armegeddon. I don't care who tries it. Their homeland would be nuked! Think along the lines of Hannibal versus the Romans. Hannibal invaded and when the Romans had trouble stopping him, they simply destroyed his homeland instead. When he returned to defend his country, the Romans crushed him. The Romans then utterly destroyed Carthage even sowing the ground with salt so nothing could grow there again. The Romans didn't have nukes, we do!

          If they tried to invade from the South, they would have to get by Texas. Imagine that many pissed off armed Texans fighting invaders. Man I would feel sorry for any invading force there.

          Maybe the Tacmars are directions on for us to get weapons to fight off world war three or maybe there directions for us to goto the slaughter house...

          The Tacmars are up..

          Whats next.


          What's next, I would suggest a visit to your shrink!

          Oh heck lets go play paintball.


          Here, we can agree!

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          • Jack_Dubious
            ubi dubium ibi libertas
            • Apr 2002
            • 922

            #20
            Re: Conspiracy Theory!!!

            Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

            Please tell me you are kidding! I did not see any , so I don't know. No country has EVER successfully invaded America! Successfully does not mean landing and fighting a battle, it means capturing and conquering. We have repulsed all who have tried.
            Actually in the 80's the Soviets were pretty successful in its invasion of the US. But luckily a small group of high school kids were able to mount an ongoing resistance to the Commie invaders. In the end we finally kicked them out, and American order was finally restored, thanks to the bravery of these young heroes.

            WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!



            JDub

            "Automags.org. You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

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            • beam
              The end.
              • May 2001
              • 2036

              #21
              Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory!!!

              Originally posted by Jack_Dubious


              Actually in the 80's the Soviets were pretty successful in its invasion of the US. But luckily a small group of high school kids were able to mount an ongoing resistance to the Commie invaders. In the end we finally kicked them out, and American order was finally restored, thanks to the bravery of these young heroes.

              WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!



              JDub
              A large part of my young life was obsessed with that movie.

              WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!
              <---Should be banned for circumventing the cuss filter.

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              • 1stdeadeye
                Still around????
                • Jun 2002
                • 8501

                #22
                Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory!!!

                Originally posted by Jack_Dubious


                Actually in the 80's the Soviets were pretty successful in its invasion of the US. But luckily a small group of high school kids were able to mount an ongoing resistance to the Commie invaders. In the end we finally kicked them out, and American order was finally restored, thanks to the bravery of these young heroes.

                WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!



                JDub
                LOL!

                I was actually very close to mentioning that movie in my post as the Communistas invaded America from Mexico through Texas! Now how unrealistic is that! Everyone knows that 2 or 3 truckloads of Texans with shotguns and hunting rifles!

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                • Albinonewt
                  Team Icky Forest
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 2456

                  #23
                  Re: Re: Re: Conspiracy Theory!!!

                  Originally posted by beam


                  A large part of my young life was obsessed with that movie.

                  WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!
                  I learned to shoot and began my collection of firearms specifically for the event that that happened.

                  Although, the fact that what happened in the movie was impossible in every conceivable way tempered my dreams of one day hunting commies in my back yard.
                  Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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                  • mag-hatter
                    OOOOOOOOO-RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 1069

                    #24
                    i see no one challenged my theory because its true SEE?!? deep down inside you ALL KNOW IT
                    MY PRETTY PRETTY FREEFLOW ON EBAY! GET SOME WHILE ITS HOT AND FALLING OUT OF THE COW!

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                    • Albinonewt
                      Team Icky Forest
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 2456

                      #25
                      Originally posted by mag-hatter
                      i see no one challenged my theory because its true SEE?!? deep down inside you ALL KNOW IT
                      Um, no.

                      It's simply so asinine and impossible on so many levels I didn't actually think you were serious.
                      Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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                      • -Carnifex-
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 1434

                        #26
                        I say we leave Israel alone and let everyone over there sort it out.
                        "What we have to accomplish at this time is all the more clear: relentless criticism of all existing conditions, relentless in the sense that the criticism is not afraid of its findings and just as little afraid of the conflict with the powers that be."
                        - Karl Marx

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                        • 1stdeadeye
                          Still around????
                          • Jun 2002
                          • 8501

                          #27
                          Originally posted by mag-hatter
                          i see no one challenged my theory because its true SEE?!? deep down inside you ALL KNOW IT
                          You were serious?!?

                          You need the next shrink appt after Star Base CGIs!

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                          • aaron_mag
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 1375

                            #28
                            I actually was smart enough (even as a teenager or whatever I was at the time) to not go watch that WOLVERINES movie. So can't comment on that.

                            Now as for the rest of it. Won't comment on a land invasion to the U.S. Just not going to happen in our life time unless those weird space aliens show up.

                            As far as 1stdeadeye's Hannibal comment, however, I MUST SPEAK. Yes Hannibal was ravaging Italy for 10 years and yes the Romans eventually forced him home by attacking Carthage. This, however, was not some simple plan that is useful in every situation. That plan was the result of Scipio Africanus (son of a general who had been defeated and killed in a battle with Hannibal). Scipio Africanus just happened to be a genius in military matters to at least equal Hannibal.

                            As far as Hannibal being defeated in the battle of Zama it must be remembered that Hannibal had a mixed force of veterans and raw recruits. The veterans had been fighting for 10 years in a foriegn land! Also no army at the time had the great discipline and training of the Romans but Hannibal had been defeating them in Italy with a group of mercenaries through imaginative warfare. It just happened that Scipio was a general who was incredibly imaginative (you should hear how he captured a fortress).

                            The amazing thing about the Romans is their will to fight. There were many times when if one person in the senate had even mentioned suing for peace with Hannibal it would have carried through. They had a policy, however, never to treat with an enemy until they were in the superior position.

                            Finally it was in the third Punic war that Carthage was destroyed with its fields salted. (Hannibal was in the second) A man like Scipio never would have carried out such a policy.
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                            • 1stdeadeye
                              Still around????
                              • Jun 2002
                              • 8501

                              #29
                              Originally posted by aaron_mag
                              I actually was smart enough (even as a teenager or whatever I was at the time) to not go watch that WOLVERINES movie. So can't comment on that.

                              Now as for the rest of it. Won't comment on a land invasion to the U.S. Just not going to happen in our life time unless those weird space aliens show up.

                              As far as 1stdeadeye's Hannibal comment, however, I MUST SPEAK. Yes Hannibal was ravaging Italy for 10 years and yes the Romans eventually forced him home by attacking Carthage. This, however, was not some simple plan that is useful in every situation. That plan was the result of Scipio Africanus (son of a general who had been defeated and killed in a battle with Hannibal). Scipio Africanus just happened to be a genius in military matters to at least equal Hannibal.

                              As far as Hannibal being defeated in the battle of Zama it must be remembered that Hannibal had a mixed force of veterans and raw recruits. The veterans had been fighting for 10 years in a foriegn land! Also no army at the time had the great discipline and training of the Romans but Hannibal had been defeating them in Italy with a group of mercenaries through imaginative warfare. It just happened that Scipio was a general who was incredibly imaginative (you should hear how he captured a fortress).

                              The amazing thing about the Romans is their will to fight. There were many times when if one person in the senate had even mentioned suing for peace with Hannibal it would have carried through. They had a policy, however, never to treat with an enemy until they were in the superior position.

                              Finally it was in the third Punic war that Carthage was destroyed with its fields salted. (Hannibal was in the second) A man like Scipio never would have carried out such a policy.
                              Uhm, after Carthage was wiped off the face of the earth, they never bothered the Romans again did they?

                              We now have the strongest, most powerful military in the world. Unlike the Romans, ours is not one built on conquest (lucky for the rest of the world).

                              As for Hannibal, guess what he still lost in the end didn't he?

                              Any country that attempted to invade or wage a war against the USA would think that Carthage got off easy in comparrison. (Providing the sissy mary politicians let the military do it's job and not conduct a policing action) Got to love death from above.

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                              • Albinonewt
                                Team Icky Forest
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 2456

                                #30
                                Originally posted by -Carnifex-
                                I say we leave Israel alone and let everyone over there sort it out.
                                Complte Suicide.

                                If we allow it to evetually turn into a full scale war one of two things would happen.

                                Israel, with it's superior technology would crush its Arab enemies

                                The Arabs would put Israel in a posistion where it thought it was threatened enough to deploy nuclear weapons.

                                Either way, and ugly picure.
                                Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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