The 911 attacks a 28-900 Page classified documents.

[aaron_mag]

Romans did not start out as conquerers. They actually hated foriegn engagements (as do all democratic people) and only invaded Sicily (their first major holding) because they were sick and tired of people using it for a staging ground for an invasion into Rome.

You just happened to pick up one of my major interests (Greek and Roman history). Two books that anyone will find very easy to read and entertaining are Hannibal Enemy of Rome and Scipio Africanus Better than Napoleon.

As far as Carthage bothering Rome anymore after it was destroyed that was probably one of the most pointless, vindictive, and one sided wars ever. Rome saw Carthage starting to flourish again (commercially) and decided a preemptive strike was in order (note the premptive portion). The reason for this action was that great men like Hannibal and Scipio were not in charge and small minded and fearful men were. You can read into this whatever you like 1stdeadeye.

It is also interesting to note that Hannibal was exiled from Carthage (partially by the Romans and partially by jeolous countrymen) and Scipio died in house arrest at a young age. His brother had been accused to embezzling money in the Asian campaign and as he was preparing to bring his accounting books before the Senate Scipio seized the accounting books and tore them up on the Senate floor declaring that it was due to him (Scipio) that the Romans had any rights at all. For this both he and his brother were arrested. No trace of the embezzled money was ever found.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Romans did not start out as conquerers. They actually hated foriegn engagements (as do all democratic people) and only invaded Sicily (their first major holding) because they were sick and tired of people using it for a staging ground for an invasion into Rome.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions!! Needless to say, they evolved! They conquered! They kicked butt!

As far as Carthage bothering Rome anymore after it was destroyed that was probably one of the most pointless, vindictive, and one sided wars ever. Rome saw Carthage starting to flourish again (commercially) and decided a preemptive strike was in order (note the premptive portion). The reason for this action was that great men like Hannibal and Scipio were not in charge and small minded and fearful men were. You can read into this whatever you like 1stdeadeye.

Memo to self: after bunkering AM and humiliating, go burn down his house and sow salt in his lawn as an act of petty domination!

It is also interesting to note that Hannibal was exiled from Carthage (partially by the Romans and partially by jeolous countrymen) and Scipio died in house arrest at a young age. His brother had been accused to embezzling money in the Asian campaign and as he was preparing to bring his accounting books before the Senate Scipio seized the accounting books and tore them up on the Senate floor declaring that it was due to him (Scipio) that the Romans had any rights at all. For this both he and his brother were arrested. No trace of the embezzled money was ever found.

And your point is?

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Um, no.

It's simply so asinine and impossible on so many levels I didn't actually think you were serious.

please give examples. i'd like to hear this

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by mag-hatter
...the village people will come out and there will be no one left and it will be like noah's ark or something like that and then there will be a new beginning. i dunno about you but im going to be one of the village people. [/B]

Which of the Village People are you?

I wanna be the Indian


(this is getting too easy)

JDub

[mag-hatter]

the cop! definately the cop!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Jack_Dubious




Which of the Village People are you?

I wanna be the Indian


(this is getting too easy)

JDub

LOL!

JDub,
You have an incredible sense of timing!

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mag-hatter
[B]even more reason to pack our stuff and live in the mountains .[b]

Well, since a large chunk of our most secure places are in mountains, maybe hiding next to them isn't the best idea.

whatever happens, happens. bring it on. if we're going to get nuked im not worried because i know that no matter what happens, we're all going to die anyways so why not get vaporized. i live close enough to l.a. so where i wouldnt get killed by the nuke, but by the gaslines that go from l.a. to the hill regions where i am. i'd just be a pile of ash and that doesnt bother me at all. its the best way to go. i know i sound like a freak case,

At this point I concur you sound like a freak case, but admit that since I have no clue where you live your theory may be accurate

but if you think about it, we have NO control over ANYTHING that happens in the future.

Certainly not the case. I determined whether I replied to you. I determine where I go when I think a war way start. I determine who I vote for as my leader in case of war. I determine a lot of things about the future. While I obviously do not control the future, I certainly have some control over it. I have lots of control over minor personal decision and a miniscule amount of control over broader more significant issues.

my guess is that there will be a ww3 and its not going to be all nukes because hey, some countries with nukes wont want to get involved,

If there is WWIII it will either be all nukes or no nukes. Once they start flying it's all over and everybody knows it. There are only a handful of nuclear armed countries and they all have alliances and treaties. So if say a Russia were to fight the US it would have to take out Britain's and presumably France's arsenal as well, because if they didn't they risk alot. The third world may be largely unaffected by nukes actually landing, but that's about it.

but later on, there will be a huge ground invasion on america,

Incorrect, since at this point either America had missile defense and is the only industrialized nation left on eart, or is a glowing pile of rock and impossible to negotiate around. Plus, at that stage there's nothing left of anyone anyways.

and there will be a huge battle royal and america is going to win because this whole time they've been prepairing like the first poster in this thread mentioned. there are probably SICK amounts of underground armories and factories and stuff like that and we'll go vietcong on their asses, and come out the victor.

Unlikely, since such a fight would be impossible at this point.

after that, there will be a new world order thing where there will be extreme isolationism

Acually, there will be, but only because there are no communcations, roads, factories, resource exploitation, nothing.

and only huge countries will exist like there will be one ruler for all of europe, one for asia, one for africa

The very concept of being isolated negates the concept of wide area empires. You cannot be isolated AND dominate the entire continent and every country from sea to sea. There would be fragmented societies everywhere, with no cohesion of any kind.

[b] until alliances are formed so then it would be like north america, south america all that crap vs everyone from england to the east. so then, there will be huge stashes of arms and everyone will be decked out for war, and at the same time there will be rebel fighters (or people who just dont want to be involved) that will devote their time reproducing, and digging huge underground villages and so forth somewhere like in south america, and then there will be a final show down between the two huge land masses and the village people will come out and there will be no one left and it will be like noah's ark or something like that and then there will be a new beginning. i dunno about you but im going to be one of the village people. whatever you do, thats up to you. and im NOT joking about this crap. one day it WILL happen. all the signs are pointing to it.

At this point my mind literally explodes. People digging in irradiated soil while other peopel troll the nuclear wastelands looking for arms so they can paddle rafts accorss the ocean and fight people they aren't even sure are there?

No, at this point there is a very real chance of the ecological nightmare that is nuclear winter killing everyone, even your prescious village people.

[mag-hatter]

Well, since a large chunk of our most secure places are in mountains, maybe hiding next to them isn't the best idea.
im sure there is tones of mountains where people could hide


At this point I concur you sound like a freak case, but admit that since I have no clue where you live your theory may be accurate
i got that info from the gas company..ive looked into this.

I have lots of control over minor personal decision and a miniscule amount of control over broader more significant issues.
but no control over nukes...am i right?

If there is WWIII it will either be all nukes or no nukes. Once they start flying it's all over and everybody knows it.so you're saying there couldnt be a couple, then there would be agreements?

Incorrect, since at this point either America had missile defense and is the only industrialized nation left on eart, or is a glowing pile of rock and impossible to negotiate around. Plus, at that stage there's nothing left of anyone anyways.
the enemy countries would know about america's underground facilities and send in ground troops like we did in iraq.

Unlikely, since such a fight would be impossible at this point.
no way! its totaly possible! the unaffeced areas would become battlefields.

Acually, there will be, but only because there are no communcations, roads, factories, resource exploitation, nothing.
except the underground warehouses, and trooper facilities.

There would be fragmented societies everywhere, with no cohesion of any kind.
that would get pimp slapped by local authorities.

At this point my mind literally explodes. People digging in irradiated soil
they dug when it wasnt radiated.
while other peopel troll the nuclear wastelands looking for arms so they can paddle rafts accorss the ocean and fight people they aren't even sure are there?
uh...what about the battle ships people have stored? HUH!? come up with an answer for that! AND small airports would have jumbo jets and stuff people could use to go to other areas.

[1stdeadeye]

Maghatter,
I am dumber for having read your post!

If that was serious, then you need professional help!!

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by mag-hatter

I hang my head in shame, knowing that my humor will never approach this level....



JDub

[Albinonewt]

If I think about your post anymore I fear a vein popping in my head and killing me.

If I'm lucky the blast area will be large enough to drive you into your mountain fortess with the village people, oh and the battleships that we all keep lying around in our yards just in case.

Next time drop les acid when you watch Saving Private Ryan, it'll do us all a favor.

[mag-hatter]

ah we will see who is laughing and "popping veins" when you are a glowing mutant zombie! HAHAH!

[Johnny_Reb]

Exactly how did a thread about 9/11 turn into one about Hannibal, angry texans, and village ppl.

[SyntaxError]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

Like, why did we attack Iraq, and why are we trying to say that Iran is trying to aquire nuclear weapons, when all they are doing is making a nuclear power plant, backed by the Russians, and now the US wants to make a nuclear plant in Iraq.

Well look at it this way, Iraq is in the center of the middle east, by putting Iraq's threat (meaning Saddam) out of business, we have control of the center of the threat area, and other countries in the middle east are pinched by allies I guess.

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Complte Suicide.

If we allow it to evetually turn into a full scale war one of two things would happen.

Israel, with it's superior technology would crush its Arab enemies

The Arabs would put Israel in a posistion where it thought it was threatened enough to deploy nuclear weapons.

Either way, and ugly picure.

Then we give other countries they same amount of help we give Israel then let them sort it out.