My Rant about the quality of life going down in America?

[aaron_mag]

Yeah Russia has been so stable with their political system (note sarcasm). Please CB! I'm not even going to go there.

Closing down our borders? Take a look at history man! That would be the death of the U.S. as the predominant economic power. Every country that has tried to isolate itself from the world has ended up (and it might take awhile) a second rate nation that is eventually overcome by more vigorous nations. The U.S. has wonderous natural resources and labor force which has served it well. But the real reason it has become great is its acceptance of ideas/people and constant internal revolution. You guys preaching about closing our borders want us to turn inward and make us lose that spark.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Closing down our borders? Take a look at history man! That would be the death of the U.S. as the predominant economic power. Every country that has tried to isolate itself from the world has ended up (and it might take awhile) a second rate nation that is eventually overcome by more vigorous nations. The U.S. has wonderous natural resources and labor force which has served it well. But the real reason it has become great is its acceptance of ideas/people and constant internal revolution. You guys preaching about closing our borders want us to turn inward and make us lose that spark.

Which proves my point about what some people think is common sense others are completely against.

Although frankly, you're not contradicting anything I said, since I didn't say to close the borders. I only said that the security should be tighter and illegals kept out and/or removed. But nobody ever gets that when they debate borders, they always accuse guys like me of wanting to seal up the borders and never allowing anyone in ever again, which isn't true. I fully support legal immigration, and I fully oppose illegal immigration.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Which proves my point about what some people think is common sense others are completely against.

Although frankly, you're not contradicting anything I said, since I didn't say to close the borders. I only said that the secutiry should be tighter and illegals kept out and/or removed. But nobody ever gets that when the debate borders, they always accuse guys like me of wanting to seal up the borders and never allow anyone in ever again, which isn't true. I fully support legal immigration, and I fully oppose illegal immigration.

As am I. And they are different issues.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Which proves my point about what some people think is common sense others are completely against.

Although frankly, you're not contradicting anything I said, since I didn't say to close the borders. I only said that the security should be tighter and illegals kept out and/or removed. But nobody ever gets that when they debate borders, they always accuse guys like me of wanting to seal up the borders and never allowing anyone in ever again, which isn't true. I fully support legal immigration, and I fully oppose illegal immigration.

And I fully oppose the illegal importation of drugs into this country. It is, however, still going to happen. I suppose you mean that we should spend more money on protecting our borders against illegal immigrants. We actually have done that...heard a radio spot recently about people finding it harder to cross the border and coyote's becoming more necessary for those who want to get across. They are, however, still getting across.

The real answer is for the economic outlook in Mexico to improve. People would rather stay where they are if possible. I think it has been improving but it is going to take a long time and there is a limited amount we can do about that (we have our own problems...)

[Albinonewt]

Frankly, we have to solve our problem before Mexico can solve its. Since Mexico currently exists only to provide America with cheap labor we need cut that off for Mexico to grow itself. Right now there's simply no need to build an economy there, they send over 5 million of it's citizens every year, they ship money back home, and that's how the Mexican economy works. The money comes straight in and creates a sort of trade surplus. Until that is cut off it will be very difficult for Mexico to make real appreciable progress.

And frankly, if we put any amount of real effort into protecting the border it could be done. Millions of illegals come accross every year. They're not using stealth jets to get in here, they're using 1974 Chevy Cargo Vans. Surely our armed forces and various border patrol authorities can find the equipment somewhere to deal with such a menace...

[RiddalinJunkie08]

my dad started off driving a bulldozer on his dad's construction site. worked hard for awhile and eventually earned a posisition as a partner at miller-valentine construction. he decided that he wasn't happy with his job so he quit. he now is in a posisition at a hospital where he makes less money, no health care, ect. but he is happy with his job. he as well as i believes it isn't all about owning the biggest suv. he could go out and buy an escalade, put big expensive rims on it and a sound system if he wanted. but instead he chose a honda accord, very basic. he has to go out and check out the work sites on a regular basis and he doesn't like the idea of pulling up in a $50,000 car while all the workers are barely scraping by. my dad is a project maneger at middletown regional hospital.
-Mark-

[Albinonewt]

Um, ok. And I think it's important to wait at least 15 minutes after eating before going swimming.

What's it got to do with anything?

[RiddalinJunkie08]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Um, ok. And I think it's important to wait at least 15 minutes after eating before going swimming.

What's it got to do with anything?

im basicly saying start small. it may not be what you want but its something. work hard and you will get what you want.
-Mark-

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
And where does an individual person get the money to run without a party?

And without a party's (loose) set of values what keeps candidates to bounce back and forth between large donors?

It's a terrible idea and wouldn't work here, period.

You still have to have the backing of a political party in order to run. You still have to get on the repub or dem or whatever ticket. Just when you become president you do away with your republican or Democratic Party id and become president. Instead of being called a repub pres you are a conservative, or the other way around. You are judged on your ideas not the party. The repubs will back a conservative candidate and the dems a liberal.

And what does this matter if it comes from Russia. This system has stabilized the political parties in Russia, has diminished their role in the executive branch and as so far helped with the system of the government. (How many Russian political parties can you name (without looking them up)

I bet if this was any country other then Russia it would be thought of more. I guess you can not end years of brainwashing in 10 years.

[Albinonewt]

And what incentive do I have as the head of the Republican National Committee or the Democratic National Committee to pay for a candidacy if they have to disavow my party as soon as they win?

No College Boy, it wouldn't work here. I don't care where the idea came from and it has nothing to do with brainwashing. Its just that some of us live on earth, and those of us that do recognize how futile that would be here.

[aaron_mag]

CB please don't be such a fool. We could do that in the US where you are not part of your party after you were elected but it would be pure semantics (as I'm sure it is there). Human nature does not change from country to country so please stop being so darn niave!!!!

As for other things Immigrant labor (with money being sent back to Mexico) and NAFTA is the way it is going to be. As jobs are created in Mexico from foriegn investment illegal immigration will become less of a problem. The balancing act is considering how creating jobs in Mexico affects the US domestic labor force. No easy answers there. Of course when it comes to job exportation we had best look to countries like India where alot of tech sector jobs seem to be going.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
And what incentive do I have as the head of the Republican National Committee or the Democratic National Committee to pay for a candidacy if they have to disavow my party as soon as they win?

No College Boy, it wouldn't work here. I don't care where the idea came from and it has nothing to do with brainwashing. Its just that some of us live on earth, and those of us that do recognize how futile that would be here.

Easy, a person who thinks like you is in the Presidency. If funding is off, that would only make things easier for a third party candidate, so it could only be a plus plus. And why would it not work (and yes I am on earth on this issue not in outer space)

Aaron_mag, I am not being a fool. You will see in it written the notion that someone will continue to follow the ideas of that party for it is the ideas of them most of the times (as I said in my first post). The difference is the President can now go against his former people without fear of going against the party (as Putin as done NUMEROUS times).

[Restola]

Or we could return the federal government back to Constitutional minimums and stop needing to worry which special interest group the President will "thank" first

That wont happen.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI


MOst of all I want to thank the feds that took my $2000 in property taxs and built a tran station and a State Office of Homeland Defense Command center for Millions of dollars. While houses and parks sat Vacant in the city.

Damn you are a fool!

I am from Maryland! Your property taxes are LOCAL TAXES!! They have nothing to do with the Federal Government! If you want a say on how they are spent, vote in the next city election. Do you even read your property tax bill? It breaks down where your money goes. NOT ONE DAMN CENT OF YOUR PROPERTY TAXES GOES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT!!! It is garbage that you post like this that is 100% false information that drives people nuts. You are wrong! This is a fact! You can not debate it. Read your own tax bill fool!

You have no credibility. What college did you go to Baltimore County Community College? Can you not read nor comprehend simple things like your itemized property tax bill! You property taxes there support your parks, police, schools, municipal government.

PLEASE READ AND STOP MAKING UP FACTS!!!

At least CB argues opinions which can vary. He does not CREATE facts to bolster his own arguments.

You sir are a buffoon!

[aaron_mag]

Well as a real estate appraiser who has to go over property tax bills all the time I have to say 1stdeadeye is correct. Those are local taxes which are itemized. The reason for this is because assessors (or whatever they call them in your area) feel so harassed by property owners that they want to pass as much blame onto the people who decide levy rates as possible.

BUT....1de I'm getting a little worried about you. You are really getting worked up! Better relax or you are going to give yourself high blood pressure!!!