My Rant about the quality of life going down in America?

[Albinonewt]

Deadeye is right.

Except that I would argue Unions no longer have their place in America, I think we're besically on the same page.

Unions have done more to destroy this country in the last couple of decades then just about any other interest group.

[Restola]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Deadeye is right.

Except that I would argue Unions no longer have their place in America, I think we're besically on the same page.

Unions have done more to destroy this country in the last couple of decades then just about any other interest group.

I would say they had their place, but they are starting to see fallout from what they are doing. The insanely rich people who run the unions (they forcelower middle class workers to pay them tons of money) are not always doing the right thing.

I have no problems with unions existing as they originally did (a group of people working together to change something they didn't like). But the way it often works now is not really helping anyone as much as it should.

[Restola]

...and Star_Base_CGI...

Rather than yelling something and expecting us to agree with you simply because you said it, how about you type up a logical arguement to support your ideas. Collegeboy did it, and although I obviously don't agree with him, at least we can begin to understand why he thinks what he does.

It would probably work better than the childish whining.

[1stdeadeye]

CGI,
I gave you some viable options. Have you contacted any of these companies yet?

Please you have to want to better yourself and avial yourself of the options in your area. I truly wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Restola

I would say they had their place, but they are starting to see fallout from what they are doing. The insanely rich people who run the unions (they forcelower middle class workers to pay them tons of money) are not always doing the right thing.

I have no problems with unions existing as they originally did (a group of people working together to change something they didn't like). But the way it often works now is not really helping anyone as much as it should.

The reason I'm not a fan of Union's continueing to exist anymore is that they simply don't do any good these days. All the good that really needed to be done has been done. The laws now, by and large, protect the little guy. The government maintains serveral branches and offices of varying degrees to provide enormeous amounts of worker protection. All Unions serve to do now is to extort businesses and make them uncompetitive. I feel that Unions no longer have their place in society, certainly not as they exist today.

I would be in favor of unions existing s they did previously, if there was any reason for them to, and I don't feel there is anymore

[Star_Base_CGI]

All the Banks I applied for dont have any white people working for them except for one manager... I hate Banks anyway.

If you dont truly belive something is wrong with America look around...

See Golf Course/train depot/ghetto. SOme of the only places that you have scenerios like we have to day is in Nazi Germany...

We lay people off people than fly illegal immigrents in to work. Its true. The government put a contract up to have a Golf Course and a Train Depot hooked up with a greenway/back road... In my neighborhood Gwyenes Falls Md via Mexicans... If Americans workers see that things are being spent on projects to make America look like a giant concentration camp it would be in the news. When the FAA was ordered to get right the Air Industry they had to fire the Illegal Mexicans....

Mexicans doing security at our Airports VIa Wackinghut?

Hello? WHats wrong here?

Schools. We pay Adminstrators all the money. No money for teachers. Screw the teachers. The kids are dumb they dont deserve to get paid. The Obvious answer is to fire the adminstrators and let the teachers teach. In the past teacher got paid and Johnny could read but no more.

WHy hire Mexicans to work for good pay? Because the government can make them do things that are unamerican and they dont complain.

Granted there is always hope and things might not be as bad as we think but should we put our heads in the sand... No. Theres alot of famous people that are loaded up with m-16s and M-1. I know a "Collector" Thats has in his collection over 100 M-1s. Ozzys got enough Guns for WWIII.

The Baltimroe police has started confisicating large caches of guns under homeland defense. Weve had 2 arrests this week with people who had over 50 guns in their houses and its been in the news. The News Media wants you to know, if you have a cache. Make sure its in a good hiding place before the office of homeland comes for your assault rifles...

Good times are coming...

Lets see the Bethlehem Steal thing. Yes we do have companies come here making a profit. Japanese companies started coming here in the 80s, buying used car plants and making cars. They make money but why not Beth steal...

Blame the employees. The greedy EMployeees and their outragouse $12 an hour salaries far outweighed the cost of importing TONS of steal overseas in the water for months at a time...

Its obvious the gredy owners were stealing the money.

Which brings me to another point.

Enron... Not one Enron Employee has spent the month in Jail. The only one that got anything is the one that blew his brains out and is rotting in a Jail called Hell...

If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and flys like a duck. Than its a freaking duck.

The Fact that 100 People applied to this thread and had so many inteligent things to say proves without a doubt that things in this country need improving...

Not that anything is "wrong" with this coutnry but that us people here who are patriotic love it and would like to see things improved. So that we dont end up like Nazi Germany.

To the rest of you who say things in this country are fine the way they are I say. PBBTBTBTBTBTB

Read the Paper... goto http://MSNBC.com

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
All the Banks I applied for dont have any white people working for them except for one manager... I hate Banks anyway.

Well, what are the demographics in the area? When I worked in Baltimore all 8 of my employees were black, and so was my boss. You know why? Because Baltimore has a large number of black people. There's nothing wrong with that. Well, my employees all made fun of me for listening to metal, but I don't think that really counts.

If you dont truly belive something is wrong with America look around...

Well, of course there are some things that are wrong.

See Golf Course/train depot/ghetto. SOme of the only places that you have scenerios like we have to day is in Nazi Germany...

Huh? Yeah, darned golfing Nazis. They should burn!

We lay people off people than fly illegal immigrents in to work. Its true. The government put a contract up to have a Golf Course and a Train Depot hooked up with a greenway/back road... In my neighborhood Gwyenes Falls Md via Mexicans... If Americans workers see that things are being spent on projects to make America look like a giant concentration camp it would be in the news. When the FAA was ordered to get right the Air Industry they had to fire the Illegal Mexicans....

I'm having a hard time understanding this part as well. I think you're telling me that the government is intentionall hiring illegals. It's possible, stranger things have happened. That's why we need to get the illegals out of the country, but that's not going to happen until a major problem occurs.

Mexicans doing security at our Airports VIa Wackinghut?

Hello? WHats wrong here?

Well, there can be legal Mexican immigrants. But, again, nothing is impossible

Schools. We pay Adminstrators all the money. No money for teachers. Screw the teachers. The kids are dumb they dont deserve to get paid. The Obvious answer is to fire the adminstrators and let the teachers teach. In the past teacher got paid and Johnny could read but no more.

Oh, the obvious answer? Well, here's the thing with the schools. Teachers do make pretty good money, nothing to sneeze at. In NJ a brand new teacher right out of college make a little more then $35,000 a year for only working 9 months out of the year. Although the administrators are over paid, but nearly everyone in the system is. Thank the Unions. Oh, and you can thank them for the stellar ciriculum as well.

WHy hire Mexicans to work for good pay? Because the government can make them do things that are unamerican and they dont complain.

To be fair, they're not typically hired for good pay, that's how they get the jobs, by undercutting.

Granted there is always hope and things might not be as bad as we think but should we put our heads in the sand... No. Theres alot of famous people that are loaded up with m-16s and M-1. I know a "Collector" Thats has in his collection over 100 M-1s. Ozzys got enough Guns for WWIII.

So, I have over 50 guns, so what? I collect guns, that's how i got into paintball. We do have a right to bear arms in this country (although the State of NJ doesn't want you knowing about it)

The Baltimroe police has started confisicating large caches of guns under homeland defense. Weve had 2 arrests this week with people who had over 50 guns in their houses and its been in the news. The News Media wants you to know, if you have a cache. Make sure its in a good hiding place before the office of homeland comes for your assault rifles...

No, the media wants you to know that guns are evil, and so are all people that own them....

Good times are coming...

The market was up over 90 points today and unemployment is dropping.

Lets see the Bethlehem Steal thing. Yes we do have companies come here making a profit. Japanese companies started coming here in the 80s, buying used car plants and making cars. They make money but why not Beth steal...

It's a little more complicated then that.

Blame the employees. The greedy EMployeees and their outragouse $12 an hour salaries far outweighed the cost of importing TONS of steal overseas in the water for months at a time...

Well, to the best of my knowledge it was actually the precious employees that did most of the damage. You see, the steel industry had to settle with the Unions a while back, and a big part of that was pensions. Basically, the unions gave them a choice, be destroyed today or tomorrow, and the industry chose to be destroyed later rather then sooner. And it happened.

Its obvious the gredy owners were stealing the money.

Ah, it's obvious again!

Which brings me to another point.

Enron... Not one Enron Employee has spent the month in Jail. The only one that got anything is the one that blew his brains out and is rotting in a Jail called Hell...

Michael Kopper was convicted and so was David Duncan. More to come I'm sure

If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and flys like a duck. Than its a freaking duck.

Duck Season! Wabbit Season! Duck Season!

The Fact that 100 People applied to this thread and had so many inteligent things to say proves without a doubt that things in this country need improving...

100 people? I didn't count that many

Not that anything is "wrong" with this coutnry but that us people here who are patriotic love it and would like to see things improved. So that we dont end up like Nazi Germany.

No, things need work. But, eventually it'll happen.

To the rest of you who say things in this country are fine the way they are I say. PBBTBTBTBTBTB

You know, I only understand like every other paragraph you write. It's starting to freak me out.

Read the Paper... goto http://MSNBC.com

I went there, what am I looking for?

[mag-hatter]

the quality of life is going down because of tellevision, movies, and the internet. i personally dont ever think it will get better again. there are two outcomes of what may happen. since there is more violence and whatnot, there could be partial anarchy all over america OR absolute political correctness which would be even worse.

[Restola]

Originally posted by mag-hatter
the quality of life is going down because of tellevision, movies, and the internet.

I think thats one of the worst ideas stated yet. People should be responsible for their actions. In addition the problems we have gone over are very broad, and I don't think a little sex on tv is enough to pull the country down.


And Star_Base_CGI, I'm not trying to directly attack you, but it will come across like that anyways. Either you are drunk, you can't keep a steady thought, or are very young (and you sound that way). If you want to participate thats great, but play a more useful role if you are going to try to convince people to agree with you (or even fight through an entire one of your posts). Think things through before you type. You entire last post was an aimless rant. It removes your credibility if you are just going to whine. What are the broad problems you see (don't pick random snips from a newspaper, explain the larger problem as you see it)? What do you think we should do to fix the problems you see? This is what other members are doing and it is effective.

Make a reasonably intelligent (and intelligible) post. Please.

[Star_Base_CGI]

Originally posted by Restola

I think thats one of the worst ideas stated yet. People should be responsible for their actions. In addition the problems we have gone over are very broad, and I don't think a little sex on tv is enough to pull the country down.


And Star_Base_CGI, I'm not trying to directly attack you, but it will come across like that anyways. Either you are drunk, you can't keep a steady thought, or are very young (and you sound that way). If you want to participate thats great, but play a more useful role if you are going to try to convince people to agree with you (or even fight through an entire one of your posts). Think things through before you type. You entire last post was an aimless rant. It removes your credibility if you are just going to whine. What are the broad problems you see (don't pick random snips from a newspaper, explain the larger problem as you see it)? What do you think we should do to fix the problems you see? This is what other members are doing and it is effective.

Make a reasonably intelligent (and intelligible) post. Please.

If you had an IQ above that of an average snail myabe you would understand what were talking about.

I dont agree with attacking people but since you insist.

Gee I wonder who pays for TV, Radio and other media? Hrm.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
If you had an IQ above that of an average snail myabe you would understand what were talking about.

Well, Starbase, the thing is, the rest of us are having a perfectly civil conversation, and you occasionally roll in and yell at the top of you lungs "Purple Fuzzy Maple Syrup Monkeys!" Most of us have a hard time even discussing things with you because we can't translate what you're saying. I really think you need to follow a train of thought more clearly when you type. It may seem clear to you, but you know what you're thinking. The rest of us are having some trouble.

I dont agree with attacking people but since you insist.

So don't. If you think you were personally attacked then be the bigger man and move on

Gee I wonder who pays for TV, Radio and other media? Hrm.

PEACH BUFFALO BANANA SLIPPERS!

[Star_Base_CGI]

OMG thats it "Purple Fuzzy Maple Syrup Monkeys!"

[gibby]

Originally posted by mag-hatter
the quality of life is going down because of tellevision, movies, and the internet.

I would have to agree and disagree. I agree that there are more visible acts of violence in whatever media you want to look at...but I disagree that lowers the quality of life.

The problem lies within the person. If a person is going to allow what s/he sees on tv, movies, internet, radio, etc..and allow that to affect their lives in a negative way without even being directly involved with the incident, then you have problems. I'm not saying you're not allowed to be compasionaite, sad, or feel anything emotional from hearing, seeing those things. But to use those incidents for your own shortcoming in life is very weak of you.

First off, everyone is in control of their own life. No matter what happens to them, it's their will, maturity, determination that will make a difference. If you want to be overwhelmed with negativity, and refuse to see the other positive things around you, and let that motivate you to keep on trying...then you are a lost cause. No amount of ranting or whining can help you because no matter how much others try to make you see, you're always falling back to your little hole which always seems to get deeper and deeper as time goes on.

There are those who are lucky enough to be provided with everything they could ever want and hope for. But there are those who work for what they have. I respect those types of people more because it shows great character to overcome whatever hurdles comes your way.

[aaron_mag]

Glad to see that 1stdeadeye stuck to his goal of not getting drawn into this debate .

Been gone at training all week. Talk about mindnumbing boredom. Okay here is my point. Restola you talk about that this country working fine for 150 years with no government intervention. You are totally correct but it was not the idyllic scene you seem to imagine. We also had slavery which certainly worked fine as an economic system. Should we return to that as well? Our view of basic human services has become more "enlightened" since the days of our founding fathers.

I actually agree with you when I you say there is going to be big changes. I don't, however, think it is because those lazy lower classes that aren't willing to work. The real issue is that our population is getting older. How are we going to support retirement benefits (like social security) when we have a smaller working population taking care of a large elderly population (the baby boomers)? It ain't going to be pretty.

You like to act like the those of us who don't agree with you are lazy or stupid. I work hard. A high percentage of my income goes to pay taxes. As I said I don't disagree with you that there is some waste and we may be headed towards some problems. I don't, however, think we should get rid of any form of government assistance and shrink government down to nothing. People often make the mistaken assumption that they would make more money if they paid less in taxes. The fact is, however, that our government framework provides the infrastructure for us to earn a living (especially we "professionals"). There is a point where we would all be making alot LESS money if we paid lower taxes.

This country IS NOT full of lazy people who all want to get handouts. From what I have observed while travelling we have one of the (if not THE) hardest working population in the world.

[Lohman446]

Without getting into the debate itself (the "poor" workers making $13/hour??) I would like to consider the first part of the question - is American life going downhill. I need to preface this, as I do not have some of the experiences you all have had. My father works very hard (70 hrs or so a week and takes his work home with him), that being said I have always been in a position in my life where I knew I would not starve and had a solid fall back when things went wrong (and they have). I am spoiled (not to say I have everything I want (I drive a '96 Taurus held together by force of will alone for instance) but I am spoiled in having a safety net. This being said, when I moved out of state to Columbus GA a few years ago, I had a job immediatly - a temp agency, I was hauling boxes, putting up tables, etc. This is regardless of managerial experience, mechanical ability, and college education. I worked this for 2 months before getting a better job. This is my preface, why I may be qualified to say this, why I may not.

QUALITY OF LIFE IN AMERICA HAS NOT GONE DOWNHILL. The movie, Seabiscuit, a movie yes, but consider what it showed. During the depression FOOD was scarce. It was considered a godsend to find a place in a family that could afford to feed you in exchange for labor. Look at some countries - Liberia for example. The starving people have faced people with military weapons just to get to food. As such, to those of you complaining about having to work hard to eat - consider yourselves damned blessed.

The problem is, with each generation, I think... as they get out of their parents house and have to support themselves they find out... holy crap the world is HARD. My paycheck goes to paying the bills and groceries and I have little/no play money.

Consider yourselves blessed, you live in America, where we consider having money to "play" still being lower/middle class. We are comparably rich to other countries/time periods. Being a servant (not to knock them, you will find live in help in America to be an underlooked career path that is a decent option) is no longer a have to for most people, in fact the government seems to serve you. Ok, not perfectly, but they are serving you for little return.

This is America, we are better off then two generations ago (this may be a slide in the advancement of America, I will not go as far as to state we are better off than our parents generation (though I think we are). We do not have to fight for our lives to eat - 40 hours a week is considered a full weeks work (check that statistic, how long did your grandparents work per week for less). We have entertainment (check cable tv subscriptions in say, Kenya - or even electricity for that matter), we have opportunity. What we make of what we have is up to us - do not complain, it is the grace of God (or luck, or whatever you beleive in) that you are here, given the luxury to voice your complaints on the internet rather than keeping your head down to avoid being killed for your beleifs - or because you are hoarding to much food.