My Rant about the quality of life going down in America?

[Collegeboy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

Originally posted by Collegeboy


But the difference is in the 40 hours the factory worker probably puts in more labor if not equal, then you do in 80 or what ever you work.

See, that's the kind of ignorant statement that really gets to me. Sure, the factory worker may be putting in more manual labor then I or Deadeye is, but to make a blanket statement that he puts in more work is just insane. You know, not all people that work in "white collar" jobs just drink tea and golf. I get into work every day at 7 am and don't usually leave until well after 9pm. I defy anyone to show me a typical factory worker that puts in more time then I do, or more work (there are always exceptions, I know). Just becaues I'm not lifting boxes around doesn't mean I'm not working. How many factory workers do you know run the risk of being put in prison for a simple mistake filing with the SEC? I risk more then they do, and I'm paid for it.

Do you risk your life everyday at work? You might risk being put in jail, but one mistake by them and they can lose a limb, or their life.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Do you risk your life everyday at work? You might risk being put in jail, but one mistake by them and they can lose a limb, or their life.

And you're point is what?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
I dont care how many paragraphs of BS you post. Your not going to get any of us to understand that Rich people deserve money and the rest of us deserve to live like pigs.

We pay taxs. Money spent on poor people is better spent than $500,000,000,000 spent bombing thrid world countries...

Jesus said do you love me and peter said yes.

Than Jesus said. If you love me. Feed my sheep.

Well, now I know you're completely gone

If rich people don't deserve money then who does? No really, who?

If there's no reward for innovation why do it?
If there's no reward for employing thousands why bother?
If there's no reward for suceeding why try?

And who lives like pigs? I don't, so don't be lumping me into your group of pig dwellers

As for bombing other nations, a completely seperate issue to be sure. But suffice to say that the primary role of any government is to protect it's citizens. Whether we agree with how that's done or not is a different story, but defense should always be the first thing governments think about.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


And you're point is what?

You said one mistake in your job and you can but put in jail. I said one mistake in the job of many of the laborers and they can be killed. The point should be easy.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


But the difference is in the 40 hours the factory worker probably puts in more labor if not equal, then you do in 80 or what ever you work.

Labor doesn't just mean lugging boxes! Using your intelligence can be much harder then using your back. It also is much more stressful! I work hard and take issue with you saying I don't work hard. Especially considering that you as a college student don't work at all!

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Labor doesn't just mean lugging boxes! Using your intelligence can be much harder then using your back. It also is much more stressful! I work hard and take issue with you saying I don't work hard. Especially considering that you as a college student don't work at all!

Again people read more into what I write other then what I write.

Read back, where did I say you did not work.

Why don't you learn more about the person you are talking about before you talk about them?

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Don't you find it sad that a person is forced to work 80+ hours a week just to survive, while other working less hours and far less labor, are making a killing off of the labor of the poor.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
But the difference is in the 40 hours the factory worker probably puts in more labor if not equal, then you do in 80 or what ever you work.

Are you really saying that the above two quotes DON'T, in fact, state that rich workers work far less hours and don't work nearly as hard as poor workers?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by shartley

And you know what 1st? You are more than entitled to your opinion and to disagree with me. And you know what? I also agree that we have the best system there is… but that does not say that it offers everyone the grand plan as you think it does…. Because it simply does not.

You show that you have a solid base to begin life from, and yet then try to act like your success is because of forces other than that fact? I don’t agree with that. I DO agree that you work hard for what you have yourself, but I also believe that you were given opportunities that many people don’t have who don’t have the financial backing/background you had. And it is that background and starting point that gave you a GREAT advantage in the system.

Am I saying this is a “bad” thing? Heck no. But at least be honest about it.

I stated this. I did not claim to come from humble roots. My father did! My father is my hero. He came from nothing to be a very successfull and wealthy man. He had no guardian angel moving him up the ladder. He did it all on his own! He came out of the military in 1972 and went to work for IBM. The military had moved him from NJ to Baltimore. As I was an infant then, my mom has told me stories about how poor we were back then. To this day, my father still will not eat baloney, because that is the only meat they could afford while he was in the service. My father struggled to make it. He moved into management and moved us to Bethesda in 1979. He left IBM for a start up called MCI and the rest is history. He sacrificed so that my brothers and I could have the best start possible. For this I will be eternally greatfull and will strive to do the same for my sons!

I didn’t mean to strike a nerve with you, honestly I didn’t. I feel some anger in your post and possibly some need to prove something to others and yourself? Trust me, you have NOTHING to prove to anyone.

No anger intended. My father is my hero and I am incredibly proud of how as a product of a 4th grade educated laborer became a very wealthy and successfull man. Hell my father has been in Newsweek and Time!

And in your own post you show that you are assisting your children to better their lives and carry on the great tradition and status in society that your Grandfather and Father started before you. That is WONDERFUL! And I take my hat off to you for it.

I feel that I owe the best start in life to my children!

I do not feel that I owe it to everyone elses children. My wife and I go pass on many personal luxary items so that we can save for our children. I don't get a new car every year. I keep my cars for as long as feasible. I don't go on vacation to exotic places all the time. Hel even our shore home is an investment!

[Star_Base_CGI]

This thread has gone totally retarded.

Apparantly real wealthy people deserve more money than they could ever spend, just as much as poor people deserve to starve or sleep in the streets..

We will see what happens when the real grab for power begins because where I live theres about 500,000 angry, hungry minorites. The real civil unrest we have in America is about the disparity between the wealthy and the poor.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


You said one mistake in your job and you can but put in jail. I said one mistake in the job of many of the laborers and they can be killed. The point should be easy.

Ok, I suppose in certain factory posistions there is an outside chance of serious injury or death. Which is why there are safety protocols and insurance to prevent, and in case, such an accident should occur.

It is rare, but I suppose it happens.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
Apparantly real wealthy people deserve more money than they could ever spend, just as much as poor people deserve to starve or sleep in the streets..

That about sums it up. But you forgot to same some before both real wealthy and poor. It's really not fair to say all rich people work hard and deserve what they have and all poor people are lazy drug addicts that deserve their lot in life.

We will see what happens when the real grab for power begins because where I live theres about 500,000 angry, hungry minorites. The real civil unrest we have in America is about the disparity between the wealthy and the poor.

Wow, 1/2 a million? That's a lot. They all fit in the NCC 1701 Command Bridge? Very impressive.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by ShooterJM





Are you really saying that the above two quotes DON'T, in fact, state that rich workers work far less hours and don't work nearly as hard as poor workers?

Read my statement, I said while other (should add an s) work far less hours and far less labor. Should be pretty easy to understand. Did I say that all rich people work less hours and less labor then the poor, no. I said other(s).

Albinonewt

And there are saftey protocals and procedures and laws to prevent you from going to jail. People get seriously hurt all the time in labor jobs.

[Star_Base_CGI]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Ok, I suppose in certain factory posistions there is an outside chance of serious injury or death. Which is why there are safety protocols and insurance to prevent, and in case, such an accident should occur.

It is rare, but I suppose it happens.

You mean like maybe, Uranium Processing plants or steal workers?

Steal workers are some of the lowest paid people around. They make like $13 an hour to handle stuff so hot it would burn your teeth instantly and...

Now Bethlehem steal is closed. All those people lost their healthcare!

Show me the money.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Albinonewt

And there are saftey protocals and procedures and laws to prevent you from going to jail. People get seriously hurt all the time in labor jobs.

Fair enough, but when was the last time a factory worker caused (in total or in part) an Enron like catastrophe? There is a far different level of responsibility in between those too levels.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI


You mean like maybe, Uranium Processing plants or steal workers?

Steal workers are some of the lowest paid people around. They make like $13 an hour to handle stuff so hot it would burn your teeth instantly and...

Now Bethlehem steal is closed. All those people lost their healthcare!

Why is Bethlehem Steel closed? Blame the unions!!! They killed it. Their contract demands left the plant unable to compete with cheap imported steel. Hence they were killed off. Was this the fault of the rich ceo? No, he needed that labor force and the union refused to make the necessary give-backs to keep the plant afloat! Believe me CGI this is not a debate you are going to win! I know far more about the Bethlehem Steel debacle than you could ever hope to know. We were one of their many creditors!

Unions have a place in America. They should be to ensure safe and secure work environments. They should not kill the goose that laid the golden eggs, which they have done far to often. Go ahead argue this point! Why do all of the import car manufacturers set up shop in right to work states? How do they make money while Detriot suffers?

Want the best joke of all? The NEA or as I call it the National Extortion Association! You want to blame someone for the poor quality of schools, look no further. NJ spends amoung the highest per pupil in the country, yet little gets to the classroom because of the NEA. Incompetent and ineffective teachers can not be removed. I believe teaching to be a noble and difficult profession. However, it is not for everybody! The unions have protected bad teachers though for far too long!