My Rant about the quality of life going down in America?

[Rooster]

Nobody that is reasonably mentally sound and above the age of 18 deserves anything. Nothing. You don't deserve a dime. You earn what you get. You are a product of the choices that you make. As soon as you understand that no one on this planet owes you anything, you are free to begin earning your way.

[Digi_Gyrl]

Be careful who you judge, you never know who will be your judge.

-- Stacy

[Collegeboy]

Re: Sure!

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


What an insight!!

Seeing as how violence never existed until now in America and how America invented crime what a brilliant idea!

Aaron Mag has it right. Why isn't the question.

Hey Collegeboy, Why did Kane kill Abel? Crime and punishment have been debated since the dawn of time and will be long after we are gone. Your self righeous diatribe can't answer the problem.

On the bright side, I have missed you maniacal rantings!!

Don't worry I missed you all's lack of comprehension.

Where did I say punishment is not good. If someone does a crime, they should be punished in some way. The fact is most of the time it stops there. There is no in depth looking into why this person committed this crime, why he had to do this, what factors lead him to do this act which he knows is illegal.

Punishment is key, but you will never stop crime by punishing those who already committed it. You have to start at its beginnings. You have to take away all the reasons that most people commit crimes. Now will this end crime. No, crime has always existed and will always exist. but it will cut down on it a lot.

Shartley, please send my condolences.

Rooster. Spooking like a true conservative. So you believe that everyone in life should get what they earn?

[aaron_mag]

Cool sig DigiGyrl....

Originally posted by Rooster
Nobody that is reasonably mentally sound and above the age of 18 deserves anything. Nothing. You don't deserve a dime. You earn what you get. You are a product of the choices that you make. As soon as you understand that no one on this planet owes you anything, you are free to begin earning your way.

The concept of anyone "earning their own way" is a bunch of BS in our society. We are the product of our society, benefit from it, and all of us owe our current method of earning a living to it. The further removed we are from the basic needs (food, clothing, and shelter) the more true it is.

I, for example, am involved in the financial industry. I have honed various skills that are completely useless when it comes to base survival. The standard of living I sustain (and I imagine for most Americans) would be impossible if it was not for the collective benefit of living in this society. In other words I couldn't grow my food, build the house I live in, install the plumbing with city wide sceptic system, and build my retro mag all by myself. So clearly I owe something to society and something society (schooling, taxes for roads, etc) and also something to those that have fallen on hard times, etc (there by the grace of god go I). The question is how much......

[1stdeadeye]

Digi...
I don't think most of us here are judging. Constructive criticism is a better term. I for one tried to show him some avenues or job ideas.

CB....
Debates just aren't that much fun without your dictionary challenging rantings!
I din't say you were for NO punishments, I said it has been debated. Unfortunately due to the nature of man, crime will always exist.

AM....
True to a point. Some people are handed everything on a silver platter. For most of us it doesn't work that way! I will say that only you can make yourself better! You have to want to because until you do, no one can make you!

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


CB....
Debates just aren't that much fun without your dictionary challenging rantings!
I din't say you were for NO punishments, I said it has been debated. Unfortunately due to the nature of man, crime will always exist.

I really need to rewrite the dictionary. It is vastly incorrect on alot of matters. No I am serious , or am I

[Restola]

Originally posted by Rooster
Nobody that is reasonably mentally sound and above the age of 18 deserves anything. Nothing. You don't deserve a dime. You earn what you get. You are a product of the choices that you make. As soon as you understand that no one on this planet owes you anything, you are free to begin earning your way.

There ya go.

Now I have no problem with PRIVATE CITIZENS stepping in and helping people, that's there choice. They can provide specific help. They can choose who needs help, and who is trying to get a free ride. I have no problem with people donating to causes they believe in. That includes churches and other religious organizations. But the government should stay out of it.

Garbage like the lawsuit out in California, where people are SUEING to make sure homeless people continue to get cash (for drugs and alcohol) instead of food, are just another example that government screws up everything.

The problem with homelessness now is that the government tried to fix it. Keep the government out. Let capitalism work. The good heart of the American people will insure that we don't have old people starving in our streets. The assumption that government is fixing the problem is doing vastly more harm than good.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Restola

There ya go.

Now I have no problem with PRIVATE CITIZENS stepping in and helping people, that's there choice. They can provide specific help. They can choose who needs help, and who is trying to get a free ride. I have no problem with people donating to causes they believe in. That includes churches and other religious organizations. But the government should stay out of it.

Garbage like the lawsuit out in California, where people are SUEING to make sure homeless people continue to get cash (for drugs and alcohol) instead of food, are just another example that government screws up everything.

The problem with homelessness now is that the government tried to fix it. Keep the government out. Let capitalism work. The good heart of the American people will insure that we don't have old people starving in our streets. The assumption that government is fixing the problem is doing vastly more harm than good.

The good heart of the American people will make sure these people starve.

[MagAl]

Move to Japan I heard its great there... low crime...clean streets... nice place from what Ive heard

[-Carnifex-]

Japan also has hornets that are five times the size of the normal honey bee. Hell, they eat other bees!

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
The good heart of the American people will make sure these people starve.

Yeah CB is totally right here. Please don't give me the Ross Perot feel good American speech. It is a bunch of BS. I see a new CB back from Siberia. He has a better sense of humor.

Some actually argue we don't need unions anymore. The good people of the corporate world will make sure people have a living wage. These saintly people devoted to capitalism, family values, and America would never deliberately try to screw over people and take a larger piece of the pie right?<-----(note that this denotes extreme sarcasm).

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
AM....
True to a point. Some people are handed everything on a silver platter. For most of us it doesn't work that way! I will say that only you can make yourself better! You have to want to because until you do, no one can make you!

I definetely agree with you that there is inequity. Some people start way ahead and I am not recommending that gets changed. Guess what? People work hard not only so that they enjoy the benefits of wealth but so they can pass on that wealth/power to their descendents. Is it fair? Of course not but that is human nature and not something we can change.

What I was trying to say is that people who say, "I earn my own way" should realize that they are speaking a half truth. Even Bill friggin Gates owes society for some of his success. Society, after all, provided the environment for him to thrive in.

[Rooster]

"The good heart of the American people will make sure these people starve."

Then they starve. Where I live there is a shortage of people to work for farm markets. I know of farmers who have gone to town and offered to transport people south if they will work a hard 8 hours for minimum wage. Guess how many takers there were. If you guessed none, you guessed right.

And as far as the guy with now survival skills, that is purely a product of the choices you have made. Regardless of society, you still made choices. If technology disapears tomarrow, you might die. That is a result of the choices you made in your life, and the fault of no one on this planet, but you.

[Restola]

Originally posted by Rooster
Then they starve.

That will never happen. One of the greatest things about America is totally overlooked by CB for the sake of a larger, more socialist government.

Rooster's ideas are totally fine with me. Because his social-darwinism approach by a minority will immediately be countered by a do-gooder's fight against poverty, which is awsome. Some people in America with money and time want to help people. Let them help people. Don't have the government half-help people, and in the process make things worse. The government takes 47% of all income in the US. I think at least this small percentage of that (used for fighting poverty), could better be handled by private citizens and organizations.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I really need to rewrite the dictionary. It is vastly incorrect on alot of matters. No I am serious , or am I

lol or

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Restola

That will never happen. One of the greatest things about America is totally overlooked by CB for the sake of a larger, more socialist government.

Rooster's ideas are totally fine with me. Because his social-darwinism approach by a minority will immediately be countered by a do-gooder's fight against poverty, which is awsome. Some people in America with money and time want to help people. Let them help people. Don't have the government half-help people, and in the process make things worse. The government takes 47% of all income in the US. I think at least this small percentage of that (used for fighting poverty), could better be handled by private citizens and organizations.

Who wants a socialist government, I sure as heck don't. Do I like a government with some socialist elements, yes.

The only one who will benefit from the type of system you want is the casket makers.