September 11... 1973?

**Albinonewt** · 09-12-2003, 08:01 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by steveg
Albinonewt thank you for a rational response.

I try

First Your leaders have occasionally said some less than
kind things about us as well.
Pease give an example of one of Cretien's offending remarks.
remember as a citizen of another country I might not have recognized the offence

At lunch I'll search for some quotes. There have been more then a few in the couple of years, not only from him but from other sources. None of the exact working remains in my head, but I'll look and post later

How does our "illegal immigration" actually effect you?
Canadians do not admit people to, or prevent people from
going to the US, US citizens have that job.

In a couple of ways. First, due to the proximity of our countries Canada is a very enticing staging area for terrorist activities. Also, due to the rather porus nature of our shared boarder it is not difficult for an illegal to penetrate our shared boarder. While it is our responsibility to patrol our border (and we do) it sure would be easier if Canada wasn't an open door to all kinds of folks.

The Health care system is a differant matter but then
we are often told by US citizens that ours is no good,
which I know from personal experience is not true.

I have never personally experienced the single payer health care system but I wouldn't want to. One of the very important reasons why it works in Canada (to any extent, and rational people can disagree to what extent it works) is the proximaty of American companies that do research. The single payer program stifles innovation in the field of medicine. That cirsumstance is mitigated by your next door neighbor doing all of the innovating for you. I would not want the system here, because we have no such luxury.

**Deep Sixx** · 09-12-2003, 08:09 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt
[B]

Originally posted by steveg
At lunch I'll search for some quotes. There have been more then a few in the couple of years, not only from him but from other sources. None of the exact working remains in my head, but I'll look and post later

That shouldn't take too long... Chretien's a freakin' moron! However, to be fair, a lot of the specific "anti-american" sentiments came from his staff, not him directly. Just for the record, the opinions of our elected officals do not necessarily reflect those of our population.

sixx

**FactsOfLife** · 09-12-2003, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by joey d

anyways. that is the most unthought through comment I think i have read on any bulletin board ever

maybe you should go live in canada.

don't get out much then do you.

If YOU can't understand simple concepts like responsibility then maybe it's YOU who ought to go live in in Canada.

**FactsOfLife** · 09-12-2003, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Deep Sixx

Where exactly did you dig up this "fact" if you don't mind telling us? That number isn't even close to correct.

from your own country's cencus bureau. it wasn't that hard to find either.

**FactsOfLife** · 09-12-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by Deep Sixx

That shouldn't take too long... Chretien's a freakin' moron! However, to be fair, a lot of the specific "anti-american" sentiments came from his staff, not him directly. Just for the record, the opinions of our elected officals do not necessarily reflect those of our population.

sixx

that's true, for the most part I like canadians. they're friendly people.

it's the fringers in BOTH countries that piss me off.

**Will Wood** · 09-12-2003, 08:33 AM

True, we are nothign with out you.

Our power is based on everyone else. When we kicked everyones asses... we rebuilt them. Why? Because we needed someone to trade with. We needed Allies.

While we could do ALOT by ourselves... we are better off with other people.
It's a mutalisitic relationship. We are just the better part

**steveg** · 09-12-2003, 08:36 AM

Al
rather than requote (our responses would become very long that way

)
politicians do as politicians do so we can leave that
one to much later

Immigration. I did read your link and follow what is being
said there.
To date fingers have been pointed at us on several occasions
and yet (for example the horror of 911) the
perpetrators did not in any instance come throught Canada
That is not to say that they couldn't
I pose you a question though. What proof is there that
we leak worse than your country (other than the words of
politicians, some of whom were the above mentioned finger-pointers)

I fear that on the health care issure you are the victim
of misinformation. medical proceedures,drugs etc. are an
international activity and the effort of universities,hospitals,(public and private) around the
whole world INCLUDING Canada.
Drug research happens the same way including the private
drug companies of course! including canada.

Our system good and bad does not and could not do as you
describe.

**Deep Sixx** · 09-12-2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by FactsOfLife

from your own country's cencus bureau. it wasn't that hard to find either.

Link please, without proof it's meaningless.

BTW... I highly doubt any information from StatsCan would include distances in "miles".

sixx

**steveg** · 09-12-2003, 08:51 AM

from your own country's cencus bureau. it wasn't that hard to find either

Link please

(to little to late thanks deep)

**FactsOfLife** · 09-12-2003, 09:52 AM

my pleasure....

Population distribution map of canadian provinces.

come on guys this was so easy to find.

**SlartyBartFast** · 09-12-2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by FactsOfLife

Please, Canada lives off the largesse of this country.
...
Need proof? Here's a FACT for you, 90% of Canada's population lives within 100 miles from the US border.
...
Coincidence? Hardly.
...
I'd LOVE to see the borders of this country locked down 100% to both Mexico AND Canada. You guys don't want to crack down on illegal immigration into your country? Fine, you don't get to come into ours.

Ever time America tried to invade Canada, we kicked your asses all the way back home. Don't you dare talk about largesse.

Living where the soil is fertile and the climate is warmer has nothing to do with the US.

Lock down the borders and you're as screwed as us. Trade between the NAFTA coutries is interdependant.

**Deep Sixx** · 09-12-2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
my pleasure....

Population distribution map of canadian provinces.

come on guys this was so easy to find.

Wow... population density maps. Not that big a deal. Now, where does it say anywhere that 90% of the population lives within 10 miles of the US border? Or 100 miles since you've edited your post?

Besides, proximity to the US has nothing to do with it. As has been stated: climate, agricultural potential, water source, access to oceans. These areas were originally settled long before there was a US or a Canada.

If you look at a population density map of the US you'll see the same thing. Low density in areas with less hospitable climates (SW states), and high density in more appropriate areas... like the eastern seaboard and west coast. By your logic, I could say that the northeastern US has a high population density because of it's proximity to Canada. This is, of course, ridiculous. It's because of things like the great lakes, industrial development due to easy ocean access and many other things. Not it's distance to another county.

sixx

**SlartyBartFast** · 09-12-2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
it's the fringers in BOTH countries that piss me off.

It's unfortunate then that your take/opinions on Canadian/American relations put you firmly in the "fringers" category then isn't it.

**Albinonewt** · 09-12-2003, 10:47 AM

The simply fact is that the majority of Canadians live in the southern portion of Canada.

I don't know the percentage
I don't know the proximaty to the US that is

I'll phrase it this way

More Canadians live closer to the US then Canadians live further.

**SlartyBartFast** · 09-12-2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Albinonewt
The simply fact is that the majority of Canadians live in the southern portion of Canada.

I don't know the percentage
I don't know the proximaty to the US that is

I'll phrase it this way

More Canadians live closer to the US then Canadians live further.

Which while absolutely true, means absolutely nothing with respect to Canadian feelings towards the US.

What it does mean is that Canadians like living where the winters aren't as harsh, the crops have good soil to grow in, and where it's close to means of transport (rivers to the ocean).

Anybody who honestly thinks it's for any other reason needs their brain examined.

And let's really turn the stupid idea that Canadians live close to the border beacause the want to be Americans.

Many Canadian towns are close to the US border because they started as military installations and forts. To keep the Americans OUT!

Ottawa was built where it is for two reasons:
- between upper and lower canada, avoiding acrimony between the two juristictions.
- Far enough away from the Americans at the mouth of canal built solely to stay away fom the Americans.

September 11... 1973?

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