Pack up and leave Iraq?

**Bad_Dog** · 10-24-2003, 09:33 PM

this is the most thought out post we've had from you in a while...

glad to have the real PyRo back!

**PyRo** · 10-24-2003, 09:45 PM

Ive thought out several posts today thank you

**shartley** · 10-25-2003, 06:50 AM

**logamus** · 10-25-2003, 07:32 AM

sam hatin on the ricans.

while i too think we have too many troops in other peoples countries, i think we have a right to have troops in germany, japan, and south korea. thousands upon thousands of americans died to ensure that right and im not real keen on giving it up just to crank up isolationism.

i read a real good ed opinion in time a few weeks ago talking about how there are few armies in the world capable of waging real war and winning. the us, the uk, russia were listed as the 3 countires in the world capable of putting the men and machines whereever they needed to be to win a war. the rest of the world had more defensive or peacekeeping armies. thus the idea reached was that while our military is more than capable of winnning any confict, its not designed to keep the peace. our job is to kickass and take names, not to make sure an election is run properly. people like poland, france, germany, india etc have the troops for that.

while i understand bush's idea that it was our blood and our treasure that freed iraq so it should be us that installs the government isnt going to get our troops home sooner. in the beginning i totally agreed with that plan, but now i see, as do most americans, that we were not very prepared for the after-war. its prolly high time to turn things over to the un and get some other countries involved. enough of the "29 other countries" that have sent five or six guys over, lets get some real international involvement. thats the only way our troops can have a prayer of being home for christmas....2004.

**jdev** · 10-25-2003, 07:41 AM

hahaha

hell yea sam.

preach on brotha, preach on.

:hands sam a shiny new soapbox:

**Machina123** · 10-25-2003, 09:04 AM

well....

all the iraqis seem to want us out, so i say we leave and dont intervine when a civil war breaks out for a new leader and thousands die because they didnt want us there, but most of all i think they should have to pay us back all teh money where spending on re-building there city or give us a year supply of oil or somethin, i think bush is such a stupid person for how he handled the iraqi situation, he spent so much money re-building iraq and he didnt even care to look back at home where alot of schools and government buildings could use that money. bush for sure will not get my re-election vote.

**PyRo** · 10-25-2003, 10:31 AM

Re: well....

Originally posted by Machina123
all the iraqis seem to want us out, so i say we leave and dont intervine when a civil war breaks out for a new leader and thousands die because they didnt want us there, but most of all i think they should have to pay us back all teh money where spending on re-building there city or give us a year supply of oil or somethin, i think bush is such a stupid person for how he handled the iraqi situation, he spent so much money re-building iraq and he didnt even care to look back at home where alot of schools and government buildings could use that money. bush for sure will not get my re-election vote.

If we left Iraq right now, the country would go even more to hell then it is now. We made a mess, and pretty much nomatter what anyone says we need to get it cleaned up before we leave. If we just pulled out now, another country would most likely march right in and completley exploit Iraq for all its oil, labor, land and whatever else they could get. That makes us even worse than we are now. Basically I think we should get a stable government set up in Iraq, we don't need to end all pro Sadam sentiment, and these damn attackes. As long as we make sure they have a strong non-corrupt (defensive) military and police force they can deal with things like this on there own. Most likely after a year of us being gone however such attacks would almost cease.
As for Iraq paying us back, that is never going to happen. But hey, maybie ten years down the line if they deicide they love the new government that we started you may save two cents on a gallon of gas.

I think we shouldn't have troops in countries that don't want them there. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, and Kuwait wanted our help, that I have no problem with. In south Korea right now, the country wants us there, although I don't know what to think of that right now. Seems like North Korea is being no better than the guy in the bank holding a guy to the tellers head demanding money, but on a much larger schale.

And anyone who thinks we should just leave Iraq as is right now, I believe needs to lay off the crack

**Machina123** · 10-25-2003, 11:16 AM

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well i can assure u i am not on crack, but it is costing alot of tax payers money to keep our soldiers there, ill tell u what next time some suicide bomber kills some nice ladys son over there who is a marine y dont u write a letter telling her what u think about hte situation, when u view other countires compared to ur own you have to look out for number 1 (the country you belong to) and put other countries down the road. the president is suppose to act on behalf of the citzens of the united states and hes not, almost everybody i know wants us out of there and im sure our soldiers want out of there to. so if u want to put other ppls life above us marines lives than u do that but its not the right way.

**Restola** · 10-25-2003, 11:32 AM

<--- agrees with Sam.

Lets stop taking crap from the governments we give billions of dollars to every year and end this "welfare world" we're trying to create.

**PyRo** · 10-25-2003, 11:41 AM

I also agree with Sam, but I think that we need to clean up the messes that we have made (Iraq for one), and just plain stop causing more.

What are you going to say to all those Iraqies that died in this war, what are you going to say to all the Iraquis that die after we leave. You cannot forget, they are people to.

You want to blame anyone for us, blame our government for getting involved where we didn't belong.

**logamus** · 10-25-2003, 01:05 PM

Re: ..

Originally posted by Machina123
well i can assure u i am not on crack, but it is costing alot of tax payers money to keep our soldiers there, ill tell u what next time some suicide bomber kills some nice ladys son over there who is a marine y dont u write a letter telling her what u think about hte situation, when u view other countires compared to ur own you have to look out for number 1 (the country you belong to) and put other countries down the road. the president is suppose to act on behalf of the citzens of the united states and hes not, almost everybody i know wants us out of there and im sure our soldiers want out of there to. so if u want to put other ppls life above us marines lives than u do that but its not the right way.

the point pyro has made and you cant seem to get is that WE made this mess. like it or not, it is our doing. do we want another country where terrorists breed like bunnys? (see afganistan) that doesnt make much sense to me. these people are never going to like us and there is no amount of money that will fix that, however, we can work to make that country less of a threat. it seems obvious to me that our government didnt expect the problems in bagdad that are going on and that is something that needs to be dealt with. but this isnt a poker game that you can just fold if the pot gets to big, if we left now iraq would churn out a million muhammad ottas, then how would you feel about the costs?

**mcveighr** · 10-25-2003, 01:31 PM

while i understand bush's idea that it was our blood and our treasure that freed iraq so it should be us that installs the government isnt going to get our troops home sooner. in the beginning i totally agreed with that plan, but now i see, as do most americans, that we were not very prepared for the after-war. its prolly high time to turn things over to the un and get some other countries involved. enough of the "29 other countries" that have sent five or six guys over, lets get some real international involvement. thats the only way our troops can have a prayer of being home for christmas....2004.

Sounds about right, the US go in and make a mess of things, and other countries clean up.

And for those of you that believe that this war was justified, I would like for you to post why you believe it was.
Thanks

**mcveighr** · 10-25-2003, 01:33 PM

but this isnt a poker game that you can just fold if the pot gets to big

Vietnam

**Restola** · 10-25-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by mcveighr
And for those of you that believe that this war was justified, I would like for you to post why you believe it was.

Lets not...

That topic must have come up 50,000 time here.

Why not stay on the subject mcveighr, and not try to move it so you can copy/paste from Ted Kennedy's webpage...

Pack up and leave Iraq?

Pack up and leave Iraq?

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