Pack up and leave Iraq?

[RetroEclipseMan]

I totally agree with sam on this one. We're sending billions of dollars to other countries to help them out even though it seems like they don't even want it while our own citizens are starving on the streets, our teachers are underpaid, and our schools are getting more and more crowded every year. I would hope that we end up getting something out of this whole Iraqi conflict that will go to paying off all the money we're sending them. Sure, we did mess that country up pretty bad but we did free them from a ruthless dictator.

edit: Forgot to add that no matter how much I'd like to see our troops come how now I think I rather see them finish their job over there and not just leave that country in shambles, otherwise all that who have lost their lives over there will just be in vain.

[vf-xx]

I have to disagree with you Sam. The American public wouldn't stand for us pulling out of all other countries and sitting here at home until asked. Why? Simply because we are an energy crazed nation that exports services more than goods now. We have to maintain certian relationships with other countries to maintain our standard of living.

How many of you complain when you see the gas prices go up?


I'm not saying that I agree with how things are right now, but it takes time to change and we need to change ourselves before we can change others.

[1stdeadeye]

Isolationism is never a response.

WWI and WWII were allowed to grow to the level they did because of apathy and isolationism.

We must be in the loop, if not in the country. We must nip threats in the bud and not allow them to become the snowball that turns into an avalanche.

As for the protesters, they will always protest something, so I guess for now Iraq will do.

[PyRo]

WWI and WWII i'm pretty sure that we were asked to get invoved much earlier than we did. If another country asks us for help, then its ok, but to just go in when they don't want us there isn't a very good idea.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by PyRo
WWI and WWII i'm pretty sure that we were asked to get invoved much earlier than we did. If another country asks us for help, then its ok, but to just go in when they don't want us there isn't a very good idea.

You are kidding right?

We were dragged into both wars. We were not a superpower at the time WWII broke out. England and France were the fading world powers. They allowed the Germans to rebuild and rearm. The US did not allow Saddam to do that. You have to draw a line and sometimes be proactive.

For everyone who says we need to ignore the world, go listen to that song,"Have you forgotten..." It is a country song with a lot of great points!


* me is not a hillbilly redneck. It is just a damn good song about 9/11.

[PyRo]

I never said that we wern't dragged into the wars. You misunderstood what I said.
I said that in both of those cases we were asked to help, but we didn't untill it became necessary for us to do so. Had we helped out in the begining the wars probably wouldn't have been as large schale as they were.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


You are kidding right?

We were dragged into both wars. We were not a superpower at the time WWII broke out. England and France were the fading world powers. They allowed the Germans to rebuild and rearm. The US did not allow Saddam to do that. You have to draw a line and sometimes be proactive.

For everyone who says we need to ignore the world, go listen to that song,"Do you remember..." It is a country song with a lot of great points!


* me is not a hillbilly redneck. It is just a damn good song about 9/11.

No one, not even the most brainwashed warhawks will argue that Saddam was, or could at one time be, on the same level as Hitler, Mussolini, or Hirohito
"Proactive" in this case is simply another word to rationalize the US being the world's thug.

As for the song, it sucks. The lyrics suck. The music sucks. It's just another redneck militaristic anthem from the country freaks.

[paintballguy429]

BTW, I think everyone in this thead is missing the key point that anti-war protesters make.

They WANT to rebuild Iraq. However, they favor an approach that would involve the UN more, rather than having our troops over there killing and being killed.

And no one who studys history at all should be trying to make an analogy between Iraq and WWII.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


No one, not even the most brainwashed warhawks will argue that Saddam was, or could at one time be, on the same level as Hitler, Mussolini, or Hirohito
"Proactive" in this case is simply another word to rationalize the US being the world's thug.

As for the song, it sucks. The lyrics suck. The music sucks. It's just another redneck militaristic anthem from the country freaks.

Look who poked his little head up again!

Saddam with nukes or biological weapons left unchecked would not be bad?

Boy are you optomistic! Unlike you, some people are not willing to take the chance. I guess you think we should pull out of South Korea then and trust Kim Il Jong's good nature not to invade, eh?

BTW, It is a great song!

[PyRo]

South Korea wants us there...

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429
BTW, And no one who studys history at all should be trying to make an analogy between Iraq and WWII.

Unless you want to discuss appeasement and allowing countries to ignore previous surrenders/armstice agreements.

[mcveighr]

Saddam with nukes or biological weapons left unchecked would not be bad?

They checked before they invaded. Guess what they found?

Sure, we did mess that country up pretty bad but we did free them from a ruthless dictator.

Theyve been messing up the country for the past 10 years, and killing the innocent. Its not like the firsat bombs were dropped after Bush decided to invade.

Also ever hear of a playve called Tibet? Or a man named Mao?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by mcveighr


They checked before they invaded. Guess what they found?

Yet......(to be continued)



Theyve been messing up the country for the past 10 years, and killing the innocent. Its not like the firsat bombs were dropped after Bush decided to invade.

Also ever hear of a playve called Tibet? Or a man named Mao?

And what would have happened had MacAurther been allowed to stand up to China before they developed Nukes? Think Tibet would be free today?

[shartley]

[1stdeadeye]

I understand Sam!

I also agree that if you want my help, you accept the strings attached! I just wanted to add that true isolationism would be a huge mistake.

Maybe we should make our attached strings out of titanium instead of toilet tissue?