A Defense of Marriage/Gay Rights Amendment

[spantol]

Homosexual tendencies occur in nature, as a quick visit to your local zoo can demonstrate. It's hard to get more "natural" than that.

In addition, there's some evidence for a biological "cause" of homosexual tendencies: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97jun/burr2.htm .

Originally posted by Trigger_Happy
It wasn't so long ago that homosexuality was considered a choice. A mental disorder actually. Shrinks used to treat for it. Activists got money, money did its magic, and now it's all accepted and I have all of you telling me it's natural

[spantol]

We've now reached the second page of a discussion on a very controversial topic, and managed to keep things remarkably civil. Go AO!

[impostal22]

you all should go visit <a href="http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126313">this</a>
thread, because, it was quickly hijacked and turned into the same exact discussion. you'll find 3 pages of <i>mostly</i> civil debating about the subject, with contributions from all your favorite ao debaters!......yes i did purposely make that sound like an ad....

but seriously, go read it. it's got a ton of good information on the subject and many opinions posted here supported and refuted.

[Restola]

Originally posted by theraidenproject
If you don't like homosexuailty, don't be gay. If you don't like polygamy, only have one wife.

Lets continue this.

If you don't like young boys, dont have sex with them.

If you dont like animals, dont have sex with them.

If you dont like 4 year olds, dont have sex with them.

Super idea. Oh wait...you draw a line somewhere...based on what exactly?

[ChucktheMAGician]

I to can't believe that this has made it to 2 pages. I heard that Homosexuals are about 1% of the population, look how much noise they make

[impostal22]

Originally posted by ChucktheMAGician
I to can't believe that this has made it to 2 pages. I heard that Homosexuals are about 1% of the population, look how much noise they make

the seriously wealthy are about 1% of the population too, but look how much sway they have!

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by spantol
Homosexual tendencies occur in nature, as a quick visit to your local zoo can demonstrate. It's hard to get more "natural" than that.

In addition, there's some evidence for a biological "cause" of homosexual tendencies: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97jun/burr2.htm .

I dont know about that... If Homosexuality were Genetic natural selection would have phased out the homosexuality genes long ago.

Homosexuals don't pass genes along to the next generation... If it were infact genetic within a few generations there would be no homosexuals.

No reproduction, no passing of genes... natural selection selects for heterosexuals.

Its more than "being born with it"

At the very least there must be some kind of environmental trigger that influences homosexuality.

[steveg]

Butter your argument falls apart as soon as you consider
that a significant number of the g/l population are parents

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Butterfingers


I dont know about that... If Homosexuality were Genetic natural selection would have phased out the homosexuality genes long ago.

Homosexuals don't pass genes along to the next generation... If it were infact genetic within a few generations there would be no homosexuals.

No reproduction, no passing of genes... natural selection selects for heterosexuals.

Its more than "being born with it"

At the very least there must be some kind of environmental trigger that influences homosexuality.

To my understanding it's chemical not genetic.

[spantol]

It's probably a little of both. Seems to have something to do with too much or too little of a certain hormone being released in the brain during the first five days of life. I'd imagine that there's a genetic predisposition for this, though.

Originally posted by -Carnifex-



To my understanding it's chemical not genetic.

[dansim]

Originally posted by Kevmaster

2) Personally, I think see both sides. If you allow man-man / woman-woman relationships, whats stoping man-woman-woman or man-man-woman-woman or man-animal marriages?

a marrige is a legal union between "two" people

[theraidenproject]

Originally posted by Restola

Lets continue this.

If you don't like young boys, dont have sex with them.

If you dont like animals, dont have sex with them.

If you dont like 4 year olds, dont have sex with them.

Super idea. Oh wait...you draw a line somewhere...based on what exactly?

Drawing the line is easy, when it brings harm to someone or they can't consent. Homosexuality and polygamy are not harmful to the people involved. Pedophilia and bestiality are, and animals and little children can not, obviously, consent.

[shartley]

Originally posted by dansim


a marrige is a legal union between "two" people

[shartley]

Originally posted by theraidenproject

Drawing the line is easy, when it brings harm to someone or they can't consent. Homosexuality and polygamy are not harmful to the people involved. Pedophilia and bestiality are, and animals and little children can not, obviously, consent.

Sorry, this is not correct.

Animals derive pleasure from sex and sexual stimulation too. And depending on the animal, the degrees of it vary greatly. When a dog humps your leg, it is indeed giving consent to the sexual act. I could go even further, but for the sake of class and prudence, I will not.

As for children, that too is not correct. Where do you draw the line? Children of pre-teen ages have often engaged in sexual acts, alone and with others their age (or in the next age bracket). Again, where the line is drawn is what matters in discussions like this. Would it be okay to have sex with a 12 year old girl? Even though now days many of them are fully developed physically and they KNOW what sex is (and many are actively engaging in it)?

So no, drawing the line is not as easy as it would appear at face value. It is easy for YOU to draw the line because you are using YOUR standards, morals, and beliefs. This is where the real problem comes in with these issues. And for me, I have to go with society norms, tempered with my own beliefs.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by shartley
So no, drawing the line is not as easy as it would appear at face value. It is easy for YOU to draw the line because you are using YOUR standards, morals, and beliefs. This is where the real problem comes in with these issues. And for me, I have to go with society norms, tempered with my own beliefs.

actually if you go with the whole child raising argument, it's REAL easy to draw a line.

necrophelia- a dead body cannot help raise a child

pedophelia- a child cannot help raise a child

bestiality- an animal cannot help raise a child

homosexuality- two PEOPLE can raise a child

see how easy that was?