A Defense of Marriage/Gay Rights Amendment

[impostal22]

Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK
Rooster, you sound like Bush, you cant admit to losing a fight. usually when people say they never lose an arguement, it means they never admit to losing an arguement. you believe so strongly in what you're argueing, that you're deaf to what everbody else is saying. it's called denial, get over it.

ill give you one last chance to prove a solid arguement against gay marriage. one post, saying the entire reasoning behind your stance. when try to think of a convincing arguement against gay marriage, i cant, because the only reasons i can think of are discriminating against a minority group without a good reason, like the way whites thought of blacks 50 years ago, without good reasons.

lol...we both have rooster quotes in our signatures...the fact of the matter is rooster has a hard time arguing, and everyone on AO has realized this by now. so don't try to get him to prove a point, because he will beg the question. he will say what he says is right because he is right. he bases his arguments on argumental fallacy, so just argue with him for fun, not to try to prove him wrong. that's how it's gotta be with the rooster.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK
hrmm how about thats what I SAID moron...hes trying to split up the democrats between this issue while solidyfying his own base

And you're still missing the point. Bush isn't dividing the democrats, he's appealing to most of Americans. Period. The fact that some Democrats don't agree with America is the democrat's problem.

yep great foreign policy, take over countrys that have dictators you dont like. while were at it, lets take over north korea, somalia, china, iran, cuba, libya, syria, vietnam, rwanda, suadi arabia, liberia, and much, MUCH more

By the way, I'd love to liberate all those countries (except China, which isn't really run a dictator, but don't get me started on China)

clinton made over 50 trips to other countries during his administration, so far, cheney has made less than 5.

Bush has traveled quite a bit, and even if he hadn't, who cares? I'm glad our president is too busy running the country to go on shopping trips in Europe.

its sort-of funny, how everybody pretty much agrees that vietnam was a screw up and shouldnt have happened, and now that we have a second vietnam, everybody is blind and deaf.

Everyone does not agree to that. Vietnam shouldn't have never been fought the way it was, that much is true.

And if this is really another Vietnam how is it we conquered the country, overthrew the government, and are now an occupying force while a new government is formed?

Is that how Vietnam went? I'm a little fuzzy on that.

and yes, you are correct, his polls are fine. BOTH of the democratic front runners have higher poll standings than him. ha!

Do you want to see the polls that shows Bob Dole ahead of Clinton during the Republican primary season? The primary candidates are ALWAYS ahead of the incumbant in this stage of the game. It's because they've been controlling the news cycle for the past several months. Wait until they have to start sharing time with Bush and then talk to me about polling.

once everybody wakes up and realizes iraq was a huge mistake, and that banning gay mariages is discriminating, bush will be defeated just like his father was in 1992. like father, like son.

We're not going to "wake up" and realize that. It simply isn't true.

and notice how on the eve of an oil crisis, bush just goes into alaska to dig for more oil, rather than spending that money researching reusable forms of energy?

He is spending money on renewable sources. But what do you want to do in the meantime, just shut down the country while we wait for the scientists to invent something? Wouldn't it be better to use oil UNTIL something new is developed rather then just sit here with the lights off waiting for something new?

and i finally realized what his foreign policy is formed after. when he goes down to his expenisve ranch, he cuts down the "bad" trees than are killing the "good" trees. he just cuts, and cuts, and cuts, trying hopelessy to cut down all the bad trees. sounds a lot like his foreign policy, doesnt it?

It sounds like the dumbest analogy ever.

But, it is true that Bush's foreign policy centers on confronting and defeating evil. And I'm ok with that.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by brandnewcadillac
marriage is not purely a religious institution as long as the government grants monetary benefits to married couples. as long as the government is involved in marriage, it has to be equal.

And civil unions will do jus that.

he said there is no right religion, not that there isnt a right TO religion. maybe put on the reading glasses next time

It seemed pretty clear to me that he accidentally left out the to in that sentence.

Maybe not, but the sentence makes a lot more sense with a "to" in it.

[Albinonewt]

Taylor:

Learn how to use the quote button correctly, and don't attribute other people's quotes to me

You can't have polygamy outside of marriage. Thats what polygamy IS....marriage to more than one person.

I know that, that was my point. The poster said polygamy will stay illegal because polygamy is illegal and being a homoxexual is legal. But that's a really bad line of reasoning because polgamy and being a homosexual aren't the same. Homosexuality is to gay marriage what having sex with multiple people is to polygamy. Meaning, that the precursor to polygamy is just as legal as the precursor to gay marraige.


Hmmm. Wrong again. Mormons, do not believe in polygamy. Mormons have had nothing to do with polygamy in over 100 years. There are a group of people who claim to be "mormons" but have no affiliation with the real mormon church
Mormon posistion on polygamy

So you see, while the church no longer officially recognizes polygamy as way of life it does certainly acknowledge that the practice is fairly common.

[Albinonewt]

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Good articles about the effect gay marriage is having in Europe on the institution of marriage.

[taylor492]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
[B]Taylor:

Learn how to use the quote button correctly, and don't attribute other people's quotes to me.

I didnt attribute it to you, just meant that it applys to you


So you see, while the church no longer officially recognizes polygamy as way of life it does certainly acknowledge that the practice is fairly common.

Sure its a pretty common practice, amongst people who have no dealings with the true Mormon church. They like to say that they do, and so does your anti-mormon lit. that u so easliy dug up, but i can assure u that any person who is practicing polygamy is not a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

[dansim]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Taylor:

Learn how to use the quote button correctly, and don't attribute other people's quotes to me

You can't have polygamy outside of marriage. Thats what polygamy IS....marriage to more than one person.

There are a group of people who claim I am a homoxexual.being a homosexual i know that is Wrong.The poster said Homosexuality is illegal. that was my reasoning to become gay.But that's a really bad because gay marriage is hot.having sex with muliple people is totally hot

see learn to use the quote button right and you'll totally rule

newt, just having abit of fun, i didnt type a single thing simply cut and pasted, heres your leftover letters

pin pygmy will tay illegal plygay is and being a legal line of ause polgamy and being a homosexual aren't the same to what to polygamy. Maning, that the precurr to poygamy is jus s legal as the precursor marraige seems that there isnt enough room in this size box, oh well, that will teach you to run out of dicks

[ShortStrokeTX]

The whole Mormons practicing polygamy thing really pisses me off. I'm not mormon but I know plenty of people that are and they're all great people. People use arguments like polygamy against the LDS church just to justify their own religion because they're so shaky in their faith that they have to bash other religions just to prove to themselves that their religion is right. Maybe not all the time but for the most part yah, if you don't have something nice to say don't say it at all, didn't y'all learn anything in Kindergarten?

[Cryer]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Mormon posistion on polygamy

So you see, while the church no longer officially recognizes polygamy as way of life it does certainly acknowledge that the practice is fairly common.

You are wrong. If you're going to quote someones position on polygamy, qoute it from them, not a third party. Mormons dont practice polygamy. Mormons dont believe in polygamy.
It hasnt been a part of our religion for over 100 years. When Utah, became a part of the US, we gave it up because the laws wouldnt allow for it.
The practice is not common at all.

[Cryer]

Originally posted by ShortStrokeTX
The whole Mormons practicing polygamy thing really pisses me off. I'm not mormon but I know plenty of people that are and they're all great people. People use arguments like polygamy against the LDS church just to justify their own religion because they're so shaky in their faith that they have to bash other religions just to prove to themselves that their religion is right. Maybe not all the time but for the most part yah, if you don't have something nice to say don't say it at all, didn't y'all learn anything in Kindergarten?

DAMN FINE FIRST POST! Welcome to AO

[Cryer]

The Moromon's true and official postition on polygamy

Quoted from the SOURCE this time, Newt.

[taylor492]

Newt: Heres is what that link should have looked like

<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/od/1">Mormon position on Polygamy</a>

[CaptaiN_JacK]

if every country's leader was like bush during the american revolution, we wouldnt be here, plain as that.

and nobody use the whole "if we make gay marriage legal, it will open up a pandoras box of freaks that want their way of life legalized (poligamy, pedophiles, animal marriage, etc)", becuase tahts not going to happen, becuase the norms of society say that is worng. right now, the norms of society are slowly changing and saying gay marriage is ok.

who has the right to say who can get married and who cant? i dont get it. its not like gay people can just say "im straight" and like the other sex again. THEY CANT HELP IT. how would you like it if the government banned all men from going to school. seriously, what would you do? except it because boys are having a bad influence on "the institution of schools" by making it harder for girls to learn? or try and make it legal for boys to go to school?

and albinonenewt, quit trying to raise you post count, write your reply in one post instead of doing 4 posts in a matter of 6 minutes

[dansim]

Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK
and albinonenewt, quit trying to raise you post count, write your reply in one post instead of doing 4 posts in a matter of 6 minutes

15 minutes, and you know a better way to quote so many people?

[brandnewcadillac]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife



All of 6 posts and you've managed to completely discredit yourself.


Huzzah!

argue on the merits. there is not one argument against gay marriage that holds up against the facts.