A Defense of Marriage/Gay Rights Amendment

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by impostal22


while you've gotten much better recently, you still reflect how poorly you were raised on a daily basis.

LOL!!!

The pot doth call the kettle black!

[71 LS6]

Quotes from Captain Jack

How about 70% of americans are against gay marriages (while only 60% support the amendment, which is weird).

hrmm how about thats what I SAID moron...hes trying to split up the democrats between this issue while solidyfying his own base

So by acting on behalf of the will of 60-70% of the population, he is selfishly seeking to gain votes? When did the president representing the will of the majority become a crime? He'd be doing a better job if he supported the will 30% of the people rather than 70%? It's his job as an elected official to represent the will of the majority.

yep great foreign policy, take over countrys that have dictators you dont like. while were at it, lets take over north korea, somalia, china, iran, cuba, libya, syria, vietnam, rwanda, suadi arabia, liberia, and much, MUCH more

Yes, since he has announced his plans to take over the majority of Asia. Shame on him for removing from power a dictator that was a threat to our country as well as his own people. Next time we get hit by terrorists or another country, we should just send them food, because it must have been their hunger and poverty that caused them to hate us. [/sarcasm]

clinton made over 50 trips to other countries during his administration, so far, cheney has made less than 5.

So Clinton as president over the course of 2 full terms made more trips to foriegn nations than Cheney the vice-president did in 3 years? Wow, Cheney must have dropped tha ball. How much money did it cost us to send Clinton on those 50 trips? [/whining like a liberal]

its sort-of funny, how everybody pretty much agrees that vietnam was a screw up and shouldnt have happened, and now that we have a second vietnam, everybody is blind and deaf.

How, in any way, shape, or form, is the current situation similar to the one in Vietnam? No draft. By far less casualties. Victory. Support of the majority.

once everybody wakes up and realizes iraq was a huge mistake, and that banning gay mariages is discriminating, bush will be defeated just like his father was in 1992. like father, like son.

Like father like son? You're predicting the future based on current or past events! That's the post hoc ergo propter hoc argument, which gay-rights supporters said was invalid. Iraq was not a mistake, it was a victory, and at relatively little cost. This generation has yet to see a war that parallels the magnitude of Vietnam.

and notice how on the eve of an oil crisis, bush just goes into alaska to dig for more oil, rather than spending that money researching reusable forms of energy?

Newsflash: None of the oil that is shipped from Alska has come back to us. It goes to Japan, also known as International trade. Money is being spent on research for reusable forms of energy, by government and private industry. So far, it hasn't come up with an answer. Once there's solid plan that only needs money to support it, I'm sure he'd go for it. If you're that concerned about the environment, ride a horse to work.

and i finally realized what his foreign policy is formed after. when he goes down to his expenisve ranch, he cuts down the "bad" trees than are killing the "good" trees. he just cuts, and cuts, and cuts, trying hopelessy to cut down all the bad trees. sounds a lot like his foreign policy, doesnt it?

You've obviously never weeded a garden.


EDIT: How did 90% of these relate to gay marriages? Just your libral rant?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK
hrmm how about thats what I SAID moron...hes trying to split up the democrats between this issue while solidyfying his own base

Or he could be playing to the ENTIRE electorate!

yep great foreign policy, take over countrys that have dictators you dont like. while were at it, lets take over north korea, somalia, china, iran, cuba, libya, syria, vietnam, rwanda, suadi arabia, liberia, and much, MUCH more

We liberated Iraq, we did not take it over. It is not a US territory is it?

clinton made over 50 trips to other countries during his administration, so far, cheney has made less than 5.

Cheney is the VP, not the president. So who cares?

its sort-of funny, how everybody pretty much agrees that vietnam was a screw up and shouldnt have happened, and now that we have a second vietnam, everybody is blind and deaf.

This will not be another Vietnam. There is no comparing the two. There is no standing army like the NVA fighting us. This is a temporary occupation that will end with all power being handed back to the Iraqi people.

and yes, you are correct, his polls are fine. BOTH of the democratic front runners have higher poll standings than him. ha!

By the same Pollsters who said Dean had the nomination locked up?

once everybody wakes up and realizes iraq was a huge mistake, and that banning gay mariages is discriminating, bush will be defeated just like his father was in 1992. like father, like son.

Or he wins in a landslide because people agree with him!

and i finally realized what his foreign policy is formed after. when he goes down to his expenisve ranch, he cuts down the "bad" trees than are killing the "good" trees. he just cuts, and cuts, and cuts, trying hopelessy to cut down all the bad trees. sounds a lot like his foreign policy, doesnt it?



That analogy makes no sense.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


LOL!!!

The pot doth call the kettle black!

uh..ditto?

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by 71 LS6

Like father like son? You're predicting the future based on current or past events! That's the post hoc ergo propter hoc argument, which gay-rights supporters said was invalid. Iraq was not a mistake, it was a victory, and at relatively little cost. This generation has yet to see a war that parallels the magnitude of Vietnam.

Although his arguement doesn't apply here (the one in which the above quote was in response to)

If we payed more attention to are past mistakes, and applied them to current day situations we could be in a far better situation.

[Rooster]

"If we payed more attention to are past mistakes, and applied them to current day situations we could be in a far better situation."

This is the absolute truth. Had we invaded Afghanistan in 1998, after Bin Laden decided to take up residence, we would be in much better shape.


"people that believe everything the government tells them! thats priceless. too bad all the people in our country are so easily influenced by what other people tell them."

It amazes me the way the mind of a child works. So devoid of logic and reason. I beleive in reality. Its an interesting concept. Try it sometime.

[brandnewcadillac]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

[i]

Right, those marriage performed by a court justice, or as they're about to be known as, civil unions.

Right, seperation of church and state, which is WHY the government shouldn't be forcnig the church to accept a new kind of their own institution.

making laws against marriage on religious terms leaves those people whose religion disagrees with these terms completely disenfranchised. respecting no religion when making law is not only the law of the country, but it is incredibly dangerous to do otherwise.

The only religion that will sort of be disenfranchised is mormons, who believe in polygamy.

so again, religion needs to stay out of the argument, because there is no right religion, and government dealings, by LAW, have to disregard religion. we are talking about the rights for gays to get married, and marriage is more legal than anything else nowadays.

Wait a minute, there's no right to religion? What constitution did you read? What constitution exactly guartateens the right to sodomy and gay marriage but not religion? Are you kidding me?

marriage is not purely a religious institution as long as the government grants monetary benefits to married couples. as long as the government is involved in marriage, it has to be equal.

he said there is no right religion, not that there isnt a right TO religion. maybe put on the reading glasses next time

[brandnewcadillac]

Originally posted by Rooster
"If we payed more attention to are past mistakes, and applied them to current day situations we could be in a far better situation."

This is the absolute truth. Had we invaded Afghanistan in 1998, after Bin Laden decided to take up residence, we would be in much better shape.


"people that believe everything the government tells them! thats priceless. too bad all the people in our country are so easily influenced by what other people tell them."

It amazes me the way the mind of a child works. So devoid of logic and reason. I beleive in reality. Its an interesting concept. Try it sometime.

like the majority of conservatives we have here a half-man half-monkey incapable of intelligent debate. conservatives will never stick to the issues and facts, because that is where they lose arguments.

[Rooster]

I am in no part a monkey. But your little liberal friends beleive they are decended from them. Who am I to disagree? To date, I have never lost an argument. I'm not sure how a person loses an argument, but I assume it is when one party admits they are wrong. I am always right when it comes to matters of understanding human behavior, so its never been an issue for me.

[brandnewcadillac]

Originally posted by Rooster
I am in no part a monkey. But your little liberal friends beleive they are decended from them. Who am I to disagree? To date, I have never lost an argument. I'm not sure how a person loses an argument, but I assume it is when one party admits they are wrong. I am always right when it comes to matters of understanding human behavior, so its never been an issue for me.

then argue on the merits

[dansim]

why argue on merits when he can scream utter nonsense

[taylor492]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Um, how do you figure that polygamy isn't legal? It's illegal now to have sex with multiple people? Now, polygamy is just as legal as homosexuality right now, being that outside of marriage both are permissable.

You can't have polygamy outside of marriage. Thats what polygamy IS....marriage to more than one person.

The only religion that will sort of be disenfranchised is mormons, who believe in polygamy.

Hmmm. Wrong again. Mormons, do not believe in polygamy. Mormons have had nothing to do with polygamy in over 100 years. There are a group of people who claim to be "mormons" but have no affiliation with the real mormon church

like the majority of conservatives we have here a half-man half-monkey incapable of intelligent debate. conservatives will never stick to the issues and facts, because that is where they lose arguments.

Sounds to me like you're the half-man half-monkey incapable of intelligent debate, and cant stick to the FACTS because in FACT you know nothing of FACT.

[CaptaiN_JacK]

Rooster, you sound like Bush, you cant admit to losing a fight. usually when people say they never lose an arguement, it means they never admit to losing an arguement. you believe so strongly in what you're argueing, that you're deaf to what everbody else is saying. it's called denial, get over it.

ill give you one last chance to prove a solid arguement against gay marriage. one post, saying the entire reasoning behind your stance. when try to think of a convincing arguement against gay marriage, i cant, because the only reasons i can think of are discriminating against a minority group without a good reason, like the way whites thought of blacks 50 years ago, without good reasons.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by brandnewcadillac


like the majority of conservatives we have here a half-man half-monkey incapable of intelligent debate. conservatives will never stick to the issues and facts, because that is where they lose arguments.

All of 6 posts and you've managed to completely discredit yourself.


Huzzah!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK
so basically, bush is an elitist ignorant ***** whos tearing the country apart with his stupid foreign policy.

his polls are lagging, and he needs some momentum, so why not pull a kkk and segregate a minority because they are inferior and stupid and shouldnt be able to have the same rights as "normal" people

Once again the abject hatred of President Bush rears it's ugly head.

Bravo.