A Defense of Marriage/Gay Rights Amendment

[hitech]

Originally posted by joey d


my mothers old cat would kill moles/mice and leave them on her doorstep. wouldn't eat them, just leave them there to show her that it had done it. that, sounds like for fun, if for no other reason than survival and food.

Nah, the cat is offering them as tribute. It's expetcing your mom to eat them.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by joey d


my mothers old cat would kill moles/mice and leave them on her doorstep. wouldn't eat them, just leave them there to show her that it had done it. that, sounds like for fun, if for no other reason than survival and food.

Actually she was leaving them as an offering to her master most likely. Pets tend to do this. They offer kills up to their master all the time, again this is not murder though!

[jdev]

Originally posted by impostal22


i think i know what your second part is going to be...we'll see!

seeing as how dansim already mentioned it, I will go ahead and privy you to it now.

as dan said, it is biological/neurological. now, I had a debate about this with another co-worker, his stance was maintained that homosexuality was biological/neurological and I maintained that it was a choice. we had a polite discussion about this, because its useless to yell at eachother and debate. now, I had a certain In on this topic that I could get a little more insight from. (many of you may have read this in the 'ahnold for pres' thread)

moving right along. my mother. my mother is part of the gay community. she is also an attorney, kinda double edged for her. so, over lunch, I sat down and had a discussion with her, about whether you are "born" gay, or whether it is a choice. I found out alot of stuff about my mom today. The only discussion we had was in relation to aforementioned, not about the legality of gay/lesbian marriages.

bottom line, coming from someone from the gay community. homosexuality is more or less biological/neurological. My mother said she had been this way in high school, the same with her best friend (male) had felt the same way. As someone (i think dan) already said, suppression of this is a choice. and in some ocassions, the decision to engage in homosexual activities is a choice, but being gay, is again, more biological/neurological.

now, from this, you can see where my support of it goes. I love my mother to death, and I would love nothing more than to see something pass that would not only give her, but hundereds of thousands like her, the right to marry their partner/signifigant other. i feel that it is wrong that I, should I decide to, get married to my girlfriend, whom I love to deathwhile, she, who loves her girfriend as equally I do mine, cannot. I am really hesitant to use the word fair here, but life isn't fair. this is more or less, just wrong from my point of view.

alot of you seem to be worried about the drain they are going to be putting the benefits they are allowed to get. I look at it this way. welfare mothers are still popping out kids to up their welfare checks, and gay marriages are still our biggest concern on who is going to eat up more of the economies benefits? get real guys and gals. let gay couples have their weddings, their benefits, their whatever. they are human, just like you and me. they aren't hate mongers (unlike some people I have seen post about this subject), they aren't monsters, and they aren't provyeurs of a new gay upbringing. accept it.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by steveg
Butter your argument falls apart as soon as you consider
that a significant number of the g/l population are parents

Somehow I fail to see what you are trying to say...

How are 2 gay guys going to have a baby with thier OWN genes in it.

[jdev]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Actually she was leaving them as an offering to her master most likely. Pets tend to do this. They offer kills up to their master all the time, again this is not murder though!

you want to get technical about it. murder is rougly ending something elses life without them knowing about it. cat murders mouse, man murders midget.. same thing

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by Butterfingers


Somehow I fail to see what you are trying to say...

How are 2 gay guys going to have a baby with thier OWN genes in it.

how are sterile or unfertile men or woman going to do the same yet they are allowed to marry.

and there is in vitro fertilization, and half is better than none.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


how are sterile or unfertile men or woman going to do the same yet they are allowed to marry.

and there is in vitro fertilization, and half is better than none.

Umm what are you trying to say...

My arguement was responding to the notion that being Gay what genetic...

My response was that it can't be... because if it were genetic Natural Selection would have "selected" those set of genes out... Because naturally Gays CANT pass genes to the next generation therefore the gene pool would filter itself out. Homosexuality has also been around from the begining of time there was no In vitro fertilization 100 years past.

Therefore the reason why people are Gay are because of an environmental stimulus or trigger.

It has nothing to do with wether they have the right to marry.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by joey d


you want to get technical about it. murder is rougly ending something elses life without them knowing about it. cat murders mouse, man murders midget.. same thing

Actually you are wrong. Murder is the premeditated act of killing. Homocide is the term for any killing another. Murder is one degree of it. So in Manslaughter, while a lesser crime, always saounds worse to me then Murder!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Butterfingers


Umm what are you trying to say...

My arguement was responding to the notion that being Gay what genetic...

My response was that it can't be... because if it were genetic Natural Selection would have "selected" those set of genes out... Because naturally Gays CANT pass genes to the next generation therefore the gene pool would filter itself out. Homosexuality has also been around from the begining of time there was no In vitro fertilization 100 years past.

Therefore the reason why people are Gay are because of an environmental stimulus or trigger.

It has nothing to do with wether they have the right to marry.

This post actually makes some sense. Natural selection would prevent Gays from reproducing and passing on the "gay gene".

[Sooky]

But if there is a gay gene(s), wouldn't the homosexual person just act straight according to societal pressure? Even moreso in the past. I would think most gay people start out like Joey D's mom, and have kids regardless of how they feel. Maybe eventually coming "out."

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by joey d


my mothers old cat would kill moles/mice and leave them on her doorstep. wouldn't eat them, just leave them there to show her that it had done it. that, sounds like for fun, if for no other reason than survival and food.

OMG, ther is an aweful joke in this post after reading Hitech's post. Out of respect for your mother, I will not make it, but think about it!

[jdev]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Actually you are wrong. Murder is the premeditated act of killing. Homocide is the term for any killing another. Murder is one degree of it. So in Manslaughter, while a lesser crime, always saounds worse to me then Murder!

plfft.. does the cat not stalk its prey? plot every move it is about to make before it pounces?

jeez, are me and you the only 2 people that can keep this light? and now, I have to dig through 3 pages of posts for hitech's post. damn you man, damn you!



*edit*

there it is, right at the top of page 4.. damn, its been a long day.

[than205]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


This post actually makes some sense. Natural selection would prevent Gays from reproducing and passing on the "gay gene".

Let's try this. How does one explain hermaphrodites?
They being (perhaps) both genders.
Their "preference" (for lack of better term) may not be apparent till later in life. Or better yet, it may be apparent immediately to the child. What if the parent/doctors make the wrong decision if they chose a gender for the child?
Hermaphrodites still happen. Nothing in natural selection has stopped this from happening.
Perhaps something in theirs genes made the determination that they should have both genders?

[Sooky]

About the cat and animal killing, mountain lions often engage in surplus killing. I believe lions (african/safari/regular lions?) do as well.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

When it comes down to the biological reasons for sexuality.

It is a chemical thing rather than a genetic thing