Assualt weapon ban voted down..

[than205]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


Because most of those guns are bought illegaly anyway, thus doing nothing to keep guns out of criminals hands. But there would be a decrease in accidental shooting, which are caused by stupid people not locking their gun away safely, and letting their kids get to them.

in short I'm not really sure where I stand on this issue, besides the fact is all gun-trafficking should be closely regulated, and we should do everything in are power to try to stop illegal gun trafficking.

But in the meantime there are things we can do. From what I have read, the manufacturers can get lists of dealors that sell guns that ultimately end up in criminals hands. The manufacturers choose to turn a blind eye to this.

On another point, I'll buy into the idea of "Let's just enforce the laws we have". (I'm not against guns)
"IF" that doesn't work. What can we do next? Honestly, what should we be doing to deal with the problem?

[than205]

Originally posted by Miscue


I vote we resurrect Patton, and run him for office.

Nahh, I'd settle for McCain. I think the Republicans made a bad choice with Bush.

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
I really would like to see a completely US civilian militia go up against the US military.

It would not be pretty,

tank vs man with assualt rifle.

i know what you mean but if the need arrised if rather fight and die for what i believe in (which is basically freedom not "because taking away a little freedom for a whole lotta safety" crap that turbo tool soccer moms push on people) rather than lose what i love in life (besides women) if it got to that point i really wouldnt care if it would be impossible to win really. (and would want to make as much damage as possible on the deserving party hint hint )

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by than205


Nahh, I'd settle for McCain. I think the Republicans made a bad choice with Bush.

Right McCain who basically destroyed the first amendment.


Hooorah.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by than205



But in the meantime there are things we can do. From what I have read, the manufacturers can get lists of dealors that sell guns that ultimately end up in criminals hands. The manufacturers choose to turn a blind eye to this.

On another point, I'll buy into the idea of "Let's just enforce the laws we have". (I'm not against guns)
"IF" that doesn't work. What can we do next? Honestly, what should we be doing to deal with the problem?

I completely agree, and what we can do is have stricter gun regulations, increasing background checks, etc..

It may be a pain, but if it helps keeps guns away from criminals or potential criminals, who can argue?

[Southpaw]

Every one that wants more gun control and even no legal guns check out these links http://www.reason.com/0211/fe.jm.gun.shtml
and

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_bur_cap

what is Great Brittan doing above the US?? I thought we were the lawless country!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


I completely agree, and what we can do is have stricter gun regulations, increasing background checks, etc..

It may be a pain, but if it helps keeps guns away from criminals or potential criminals, who can argue?

Right. Please give me one example where a criminal has ever been stopped by a gun law from obtaining a firearm and using to to commit a crime.


Potential criminals????????????????

[Rooster]

"I really would like to see a completely US civilian militia go up against the US military.

It would not be pretty,

tank vs man with assualt rifle."

Maybe you forgot the lesson of Vietnam. If a military isn't willing to level a country to go after insurgents, they won't stop them. A civil uprising is a very real threat against a dictatorship.

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


I completely agree, and what we can do is have stricter gun regulations, increasing background checks, etc..

It may be a pain, but if it helps keeps guns away from criminals or potential criminals, who can argue?

WOW POTENTIAL criminals that is some of the crazyest EVER. Do you have few Minority report kids in your basement so you can tell who is going to commit crimes? Honestly what is a potential criminal? WOW WOW WOW that sounds bad!!!

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by FutureMagOwner



i know what you mean but if the need arrised if rather fight and die for what i believe in (which is basically freedom not "because taking away a little freedom for a whole lotta safety" crap that turbo tool soccer moms push on people) rather than lose what i love in life (besides women) if it got to that point i really wouldnt care if it would be impossible to win really. (and would want to make as much damage as possible on the deserving party hint hint )

This is even supported historically . Anyone remember what happened to all those texans who stayed and fought at the alamo .

[Slimm Jimm]

IMHO, anyone is a potential criminal, it just depends on what pushes you there.

There is a movie that illustrates this, I can't think of the exact name right now. John Doe, maybe

[Coal-Cracker]

Originally posted by Sir_Brass



This is even supported historically . Anyone remember what happened to all those texans who stayed and fought at the alamo .

...or the Warsaw Uprising in '43, where a few hundred armed Polish Jews held off the heavily armed and well trained German Army. The insurgency was crushed in about a month, but at least they were able to put up a fight. A point was made. Those men and women were able to die standing on their feet, rather than sent off to die in a camp. Tell me, which would you choose?

I don't doubt that an open revolution would probably be pretty one-sided, at least initially anyway. (Here is one thing to consider: Would U.S. soldiers be able to fire upon their own neighbors?)

" We have four boxes used to guarantee our liberty: The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and when those three fail - the cartridge box."

...not to sound like a radical.

[FutureMagOwner]

well i wouldnt put my point quite with the alamo since they were under the impression most of the time they were going to be reinforced sorta like william wallace (atleast in brave heart i dont know the behind the movie facts as well as id like)

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by Southpaw
WOW POTENTIAL criminals that is some of the crazyest EVER. Do you have few Minority report kids in your basement so you can tell who is going to commit crimes? Honestly what is a potential criminal? WOW WOW WOW that sounds bad!!!

maybe i should have rephrased that , or in all actuality not said it at all.

And Rooster Jungle warfare is a wee bit different then Urban.

I dont even believe we used tanks in Vietnam.

[FutureMagOwner]

i think we did not sure what kinda role it held im guessing more of an escort to other vehicles more than accual combat