Afghan Massacre: Convey of Death

[Kitheril]

Perhaps some of have already seen this video, but I suspect many have not. An interesting documentary, one that supposedly is banned from American televison.

I expect everyone to have intelligent comments, and not immature denials. Anyone with a slight bit of intelligence and research skills found much more disturbing videos and pictures through Middle Eastern media sources.

Leave your patriotic, nationalistic views at home. Educational, intelligent thoughts only, thank you.

Link: http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3267.htm

[1stdeadeye]

Perhaps some of have already seen this video, but I suspect many have not. An interesting documentary, one that supposedly is banned from American televison.

I expect everyone to have intelligent comments, and not immature denials. Anyone with a slight bit of intelligence and research skills found much more disturbing videos and pictures through Middle Eastern media sources.

Leave your patriotic, nationalistic views at home. Educational, intelligent thoughts only, thank you.

Link: http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3267.htm

So Afghanis commited these atrocities on the Taliban. No US Soldiers fired a shot.

The Taliban lost 3000 soldiers. Well you know this is far worse then the 500,000 lost in the Rwanda genocide. The Dutch failed to stop that massacre too. So I guess we should indict the Dutch for the atrocities. Forget the being outnumbered thing. They should have sacrificed themselves to the mobs to be PC.

Think about it. US Soldiers didn't see it until it was too late. Also they had no police powers. Plus those Taliban soldiers deserved death that they so freely visited on their own people prior to our invasion. Good riddence.

Why don't you talk about how the Taliban turned the Kabul Soccer Stadium into an Execution Factory!! Or how about the thousands they executed for violations of their interpretation of Sharia? You reap what you sow!

[Kitheril]

No Americans fired a shot. But standing by and NOT intervening is clearly the same as pulling the trigger.

Failing to notice until it was too late? Hardly. Please. The Americans were commanding the Afghans. They would not have been able to commence such an operation without Americans knowing or consenting to it. Think about it.

You reap what you sow? Then America has a lot coming doesn't it? As does many other nations.

[1stdeadeye]

No Americans fired a shot. But standing by and NOT intervening is clearly the same as pulling the trigger.

Failing to notice until it was too late? Hardly. Please. The Americans were commanding the Afghans. They would not have been able to commence such an operation without Americans knowing or consenting to it. Think about it.

You reap what you sow? Then America has a lot coming doesn't it? As does many other nations.

Okay Mr. Canuck where should I start?

The American forces in Afghanistan co-ordinated with the Afghanis, not commanded them. How about Rwanda? Was the organized slaughter of 500,000 people in a two week span predictable? I think not. The Dutch are no more at fault then the US is in your example.

Why do you think the Afghanis were so eager to pay the Taliban back in blood? The repression they inflicted upon their populace was horrid. The Northern Alliance was fighting the Taliban long before we got there. Oh and the Taliban were so moral that they disguised a suicide bomber as a reporter to kill the Northern Alliances leader a month before 9/11. The Taliban did not adhere to or sign the Geneva convention and thus were not afforded it's protections.

So legally the Northern Alliance did nothing wrong.

As for your last point, you are nothing but an America Basher who looks for any example to create a conspiracy that America is responsible for every ill the world sees. This slaughter was carried out by our allies, not by us. Also don't forget, you Canucks faught along side them as well, so I guess it is your fault too!

What part of Canada are you from? Quebec?

[-=Squid=-]

Man, these gay new smileys make it hard for you to get your point across 1de. The rollseyes makes it seem as though your being lighthearted. See?

Anyways, I agree with you on all accounts 1de.

[Kitheril]

I feel I should address you last point first. American basher? Hardly. In fact I support America for the most part. I just can't stand the ignorant views that some Americans hold on every subject under the sun.

You, sir, need to ingross yourself in some Noam Chomsky. Maybe when you learn American foreign policy and exactly what Americans have done under it, you'll be a bit more understanding.

As for morals, trying to assassinate (sp) Fidel Castro multiple times under the Eis./JFK administration is moral? Or the complete denial of Operation Zapata (Bay of Pigs), although the whole international community knew that the Americans clearly supported, planned, and trained Cuban exiles.

Yes Canada fought. But the majority of fighting was under the American and British forces. Prove me wrong.

Oh. I wish I was from Quebec. Much more culture there.

[1stdeadeye]

I never said America was a virgin in white! That being stated, we are also not the Great Satan either.

Hey why not talk about how we helped Pinochet take over and oppress Chile? Every country has skeletons in their closet.

What I stated is that you are taking innuendo and spouting facts from it. Read what I wrote again. Where did I say America was perfect? I did say that your own source stated that the Northern Alliance boxed them up in Airtight containers and then shipped them 4 days away before finally executing the survivors. How did they survive without air for 4 days? If any did actually survive were they survive were they strong enough to signal the Americans? Maybe the American Special Forces there thought they were dumping bodies and not live prisoners. Maybe the machine gunning of the bodies the Americans thought was apalling, but not criminal.

Your "source" that you sight has so many holes in the story that I could drive one of those Airtight sealed trucks through it!

[taylor492]

Ill have to wait till i get home so i can see the clip but i have a hard time with your theories on assiging blame. The U.S. soldiers stood by and did not intervene, so thats clearly the same as pulling the trigger. I have a hard time with sympathy towards the Taliban, Al Quiada(sp?), and most Iraqis. These people are killing our soldiers everyday, including during the so called cease fire. They take hostages, brutalize, torture and kill them. Turn on CNN, your view of whats going on in the middle east is clouded by the blanket of securtiy Canada gets, just for being on the same continent as the most powerful country on earth.

[Kitheril]

Anyone who believes CNN is a clear source of information is clearly mistaken.

They are killing your soliders. Yes. Those soliders however are killing people. Its a two way street. Both sides lose something.

And, what does being Canadian have anything to do with our debate here. Pretend I'm something else. You seem more dedicated on the fact that I'm Canadian then the topic at hand.

Where exactly do the holes lie? Please state your case. As for air, holes were shot into the containers, while the prisoners were inside. Thus explaining partially why there were dead within the containers.

Did I did not state America is perfect. Hell, I'm not even attacking America. I'm attacking your points that your making, which are hardly relevant at all.

[PyRo]

No, you didn't state america was perfect.
It was not america who did this, it was the Northern Allience (thats what they called themselves right?). We were at war with the Taliban, not the northern allience, so noone there had any authority to do anything but ask them to stop. In order to intervine we would have to go to war with the Northern alliance, if we did that where does that leave us? Outnumbered, surrounded, and in the same graves as the Taliban soldiers.

[taylor492]

Anyone who believes CNN is a clear source of information is clearly mistaken.

They are killing your soliders. Yes. Those soliders however are killing people. Its a two way street. Both sides lose something.

And, what does being Canadian have anything to do with our debate here. Pretend I'm something else. You seem more dedicated on the fact that I'm Canadian then the topic at hand.

Where exactly do the holes lie? Please state your case. As for air, holes were shot into the containers, while the prisoners were inside. Thus explaining partially why there were dead within the containers.

Did I did not state America is perfect. Hell, I'm not even attacking America. I'm attacking your points that your making, which are hardly relevant at all.

Okay for arguments sake, lets say that CNN is completely misinformed
Here is where i state my case:
... ready for this

I COULDN'T CARE LESS

honestly, as long as the countries we're trying to help out of poverty are killing those who are doing the helping, they deserve whatever they get. Those Taliban soldiers were trying just taking advantage of the humanity that the U.S. soldiers show prisoners of war. They would've done the same thing, probably worse had the situation been reversed.

How can u say you're not attacking the U.S. That you support us for the most part. As for morals, trying to assassinate (sp) Fidel Castro multiple times under the Eis./JFK administration is moral? Or the complete denial of Operation Zapata (Bay of Pigs), although the whole international community knew that the Americans clearly supported, planned, and trained Cuban exiles.

In this day and age, preserving freedom against outside evils calls for a sucker punch now and then. Im all for it

[Kitheril]

If you are so naive to believe CNN is the "whole truth and nothing but the truth", then I have nothing more to say to you.

[Cryer]

So say no more.



Thers not a news channel out there that provides "the whole truth and nothing but the truth". Its part of Human nature. We lie to each other.

That said, CNN is the only news channel I can stand to watch. NBC especially disgusts me.

[taylor492]

If you are so naive to believe CNN is the "whole truth and nothing but the truth", then I have nothing more to say to you.

Good quote. Now what does that have to do with me? But since I cant hover over Baghdad with my super secret camo hover disc, then ill keep turning the channel to CNN. Get any good news stations in Canada*?

























*denotes country that owes its existence to its close proximity to the United States. See also, Canada, Complete Guide to Military History pgs.1-4

[bleachit]

"Yes Canada fought. But the majority of fighting was under the American and British forces. Prove me wrong."

thats because Canada is second only to france in the all time list of really sucky militaries...